Originally Posted by gonyon

honestly I think most Spirit pilots have been consistent in saying the hardest part of working for spirit is telling people you work for spirit. It’s an awesome place to work. It just sucks that the name has so much stink on it

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

A strong heads up, career expectations isn't what one might think it implies.

Originally Posted by crash312

Looking at NK's 2021 Contract comparison:

Year 12 320 CA 283 vs 265 (newest rates)
JB pays Int'l for Caribbean (except SJU)
Holiday pay 200% for six or seven days/year
Night $13/hr
Prem 150% JB vs 200% NK, Emerg assign,outside footprint 200% JB and NK (comparison chart wrong)
Profit Sharing for JB, though JB will have to make a lot to get paid
Scope/JV/Regionals appears slightly better at B6 (when the company doesn't violate it)
JB has best furlough pay/recall in industry
JB has slightly better hours of service/scheduled duty, again probably best in industry
NK better min lineholder days off, JB better RSV days off
RSV/lineholder guarantee average out to the same, no airport standby at either
JB has 5 hour average daily rig, starts at 0100
about the same rigs
NK has min 4 days off
RSV at JB can build blocks (i.e. 18 days ON in a row) with no rest scheduled. Company then responsible to give days off mid block for FAR rest.
RSV RAPs same every day NK, vs changes every day at B6 (pros and cons to both) 10 hour RAP JB
Rescheduling looks good at both, JB pays 2x starting 1 minute outside footprint, extra 50% inside footprint, limits per year.
Vacation accrual-some years NK more, some years JB more depending on YoS
Sick leave, JB slightly better, both can bank and cash out at retirement
Distance learning, NK appears better at 5 hours/day, JB usually around 2-2.5 hours 4x/year
Retirement 15 vs 16 JB. JB has option to put some into retirement health. Company pays $1/hour extra into that acct.
Health Care, NK get more seed money, JB has to jump thru hoops get to theirs. Premiums lower at JB...both high. Most out of pocket limits lower at NK, similar when premiums accounted for
NK much better dental if on medical plan
STD better at JB for max and length (6 months), LTD the same if buying up for both, LTD better at JB if not buying up
LTD healthcare both at active rates, JB til retirement age, NK 5 years


It goes without saying neither side is going to operate under the other's contract ever. If this combination actually happens, important for both sides to know where we are starting from when JCBA negotiations start. Given our leverage we should be able to cherry pick and add in the areas both pre merger contracts are lacking. No reason an industry leading contract shouldn't come from this. Robin Hayes just said yesterday during a TV interview pilot payroll is only going to go up given the shortage.

Originally Posted by Chimpy

I'm sorry, what? what kind of BS is this?

"RSV at JB can build blocks (i.e. 18 days ON in a row) with no rest scheduled. Company then responsible to give days off mid block for FAR rest.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Here’s a JCBA start.

-$320/hr = 2022 rate, COLA protected by at least one inflation metric like CPI
-6hr ADG, Reserve days worth 5 hrs and eliminate the redeye turn carve out
-Go back to one reserve grid
-Make all premium opentime 200%, company option to make it 300%
-VDA 200-300% based on company needs
-RSA 175% for the 5 hour reserve day unused, 200% if used
-Old profit sharing with no cliff
-18-20% 401k DC
-Move dependability policy to CBA, refine it, and remove all references to number and timing of sick calls. Make keeping in line with the commuter policy not apply to dependability OOP events
-Add retiree medical
-Make medical cheaper

Originally Posted by Chimpy

Can you explain this? is this something that is bid by the pilot, or just done by the Company?

"RSV at JB can build blocks (i.e. 18 days ON in a row) with no rest scheduled. Company then responsible to give days off mid block for FAR rest.

Originally Posted by DontCallMeCindy

And a bunch more 220s will be on property

Originally Posted by PotatoChip

This is a good thing. It’s not “bs”.
Pilot has to waive to allow it to happen. Lots of good reasons to do it.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Here’s a JCBA start.

-$320/hr = 2022 rate, COLA protected by at least one inflation metric like CPI
-6hr ADG, Reserve days worth 5 hrs and eliminate the redeye turn carve out
-Go back to one reserve grid
-Make all premium opentime 200%, company option to make it 300%
-VDA 200-300% based on company needs
-RSA 175% for the 5 hour reserve day unused, 200% if used
-Old profit sharing with no cliff
-18-20% 401k DC
-Move dependability policy to CBA, refine it, and remove all references to number and timing of sick calls. Make keeping in line with the commuter policy not apply to dependability OOP events
-Add retiree medical
-Make medical cheaper

Originally Posted by Combatcraig

Same for JB pilots. Except as of late JB is NOT an awesome place to work. It’s seriously a daily perpetual dumpster fire, as of late!