JetBlue bids for Spirit Airlines
04-07-2022, 07:18 AM
#151
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 992
Those 60 190s are going away. “Career expectations” are over half of them will be gone in 2.5 years, the rest gone in 3.5 years. If the merger goes through, it’ll be quicker than that and they’ll likely get parked within 1 year of the merger being finalized. Their replacement is 100 A220-300s, which currently pay more than any airplane on property at spirit and are roughly equal to a 319 in size/capability. And on the other end, jetblue has a lot more 321s, which on some pay scales are higher paying, but regardless are larger. So, there’s definitely and argument on the opposite side.
I think it’d be closer to 50/50 longevity/seniority, but either way B6 pilots will likely get screwed. I’m guessing the bulk of B6 pilots would integrate with spirit counterparts who have later DOHs. Is what it is. Nobody will be happy about it if it goes through, except for maybe a few. I’m sure the guys who left spirit for jetblue who will be junior to themselves will be really happy lol.
I think it’d be closer to 50/50 longevity/seniority, but either way B6 pilots will likely get screwed. I’m guessing the bulk of B6 pilots would integrate with spirit counterparts who have later DOHs. Is what it is. Nobody will be happy about it if it goes through, except for maybe a few. I’m sure the guys who left spirit for jetblue who will be junior to themselves will be really happy lol.
04-07-2022, 07:40 AM
#153
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,637
i think the arbitrator creates a virtual list for each airline assuming each pilot had bid for the highest paying position they can hold and then slots in pilots from each list accordingly. Your actual position doesn’t matter. There’s plenty of info on this site from previous mergers, if you search “stovepipe” etc.
1622 JB 320 CA
79 JB 223 CA
404 JB 190 CA
1484 NK AB CA
from an old VX thread:
It’s officially emailed out to the group. 60% longevity weight, 40% status category. First VX guy shows up at #534. As a Feb 2012 VX guy looks like I mixed right into Feb 2012 AS guys. I’m happy with my personal result. But this is gonna be a tough pill for any VX guy hired on/prior to ~2010.
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04-07-2022, 08:10 AM
#154
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 128
Well if this doesn't go through, good luck competing against a ULCC juggernaut. Relative seniority is the only way to go, you argue that the A220 has higher rates than anything on property, when were those rates agreed to? We are in our last year of our contract and the minimum goal was set by of all companies, Sun country. Their rates eclipse B6's. And yes I know rates are not everything, but you are basing your argument on our current rates that were negotiated in 2017.
04-07-2022, 08:36 AM
#155
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 993
Well if this doesn't go through, good luck competing against a ULCC juggernaut. Relative seniority is the only way to go, you argue that the A220 has higher rates than anything on property, when were those rates agreed to? We are in our last year of our contract and the minimum goal was set by of all companies, Sun country. Their rates eclipse B6's. And yes I know rates are not everything, but you are basing your argument on our current rates that were negotiated in 2017.
04-07-2022, 09:52 AM
#156
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 924
Keeping your current base
How does keeping one's base shake out in a SLI? Does everyone keep there base after SLI then somewhere down the road mgmt displace folks to where they need them?
04-07-2022, 10:01 AM
#158
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,905
Well if this doesn't go through, good luck competing against a ULCC juggernaut. Relative seniority is the only way to go, you argue that the A220 has higher rates than anything on property, when were those rates agreed to? We are in our last year of our contract and the minimum goal was set by of all companies, Sun country. Their rates eclipse B6's. And yes I know rates are not everything, but you are basing your argument on our current rates that were negotiated in 2017.
04-07-2022, 10:08 AM
#159
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,637
60% weight to DOH
40% to status
For the status list first you need to stovepipe everyone into their highest paying seat they can hold at their starting company. Then feather together the Airbus CAs for both companies (roughly 9 NK for every 10 JB). Then come the A220 CAs, E90 CAs, feather together the A320 FOs from both companies then 220 FOs and 190 FOs.
40% to status
For the status list first you need to stovepipe everyone into their highest paying seat they can hold at their starting company. Then feather together the Airbus CAs for both companies (roughly 9 NK for every 10 JB). Then come the A220 CAs, E90 CAs, feather together the A320 FOs from both companies then 220 FOs and 190 FOs.
04-07-2022, 10:23 AM
#160
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 992
60% weight to DOH
40% to status
For the status list first you need to stovepipe everyone into their highest paying seat they can hold at their starting company. Then feather together the Airbus CAs for both companies (roughly 9 NK for every 10 JB). Then come the A220 CAs, E90 CAs, feather together the A320 FOs from both companies then 220 FOs and 190 FOs.
40% to status
For the status list first you need to stovepipe everyone into their highest paying seat they can hold at their starting company. Then feather together the Airbus CAs for both companies (roughly 9 NK for every 10 JB). Then come the A220 CAs, E90 CAs, feather together the A320 FOs from both companies then 220 FOs and 190 FOs.
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