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04-06-2022, 12:48 PM

#131

All Bizniz

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Originally Posted by Flyby1206

AS+HA is making more sense as the next step assuming B6+NK happens. Then G4+F9 as the final play in this round?

No... AS is just gonna stick their head in the sand, or curl up in the fetal position in a corner, and wait for this to all blow over.

04-06-2022, 03:16 PM

#132

jetlagclub

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Originally Posted by All Bizniz

No... AS is just gonna stick their head in the sand, or curl up in the fetal position in a corner, and wait for this to all blow over.

False statement. AS will stick their headin the SNOW🥶

04-06-2022, 05:52 PM

#133

clearandcold

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Originally Posted by jetlagclub

False statement. AS will stick their headin the SNOW🥶

They will need to remove their head from their ass first.

04-06-2022, 05:57 PM

#134

Bluedriver

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Originally Posted by IPAsallday

And neither do we after LOA 17, the investor brief doesn’t show anymore growth across the pond. Job well done !

Can't fix stupid.

04-06-2022, 06:03 PM

#135

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Originally Posted by jetlagclub

False statement. AS will stick their headin the SNOW🥶

Touche! Lol

04-06-2022, 07:26 PM

#136

FriendlyPilot

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Originally Posted by DontCallMeCindy

This is gonna suck for all of us: B6 folks will very likely see seniority diluted given Spirit’s career expectations in overlapping bases and fleet types.

For the Spirit folks, many will probably have to start commuting, bc JB doesn’t seem to care for small satellite bases at all. I just can’t see them keeping all of Spirit’s current bases. I would expect them to consolidate those into B6’s existing hubs with *maybe* 1-2 strategic holdovers like LAS.

Totally hope this is just a ploy to run the price up or create a poison pill as a temporary defensive tactic

The biggest problem for B6 are the 190s. They are a lower status and category than an Airbus. So those Captains are below all Airbus Captains and the FOs are below all FOs. The smaller planes at B6 benefit the Spirit Pilots greatly.

I’m guessing 75% weight for status and category and 25% for longevity…

04-06-2022, 08:45 PM

#137

Popeye0537

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Originally Posted by Softpayman

I think you have Argentina confused with someplace else. You’ve been?

Nope, it's like most places down south, good parts and bad parts

04-07-2022, 01:11 AM

#138

BeatNavy

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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot

Those 60 190s are going away. “Career expectations” are over half of them will be gone in 2.5 years, the rest gone in 3.5 years. If the merger goes through, it’ll be quicker than that and they’ll likely get parked within 1 year of the merger being finalized. Their replacement is 100 A220-300s, which currently pay more than any airplane on property at spirit and are roughly equal to a 319 in size/capability. And on the other end, jetblue has a lot more 321s, which on some pay scales are higher paying, but regardless are larger. So, there’s definitely and argument on the opposite side.

I think it’d be closer to 50/50 longevity/seniority, but either way B6 pilots will likely get screwed. I’m guessing the bulk of B6 pilots would integrate with spirit counterparts who have later DOHs. Is what it is. Nobody will be happy about it if it goes through, except for maybe a few. I’m sure the guys who left spirit for jetblue who will be junior to themselves will be really happy lol.

04-07-2022, 02:53 AM

#139

True Airspeed

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Originally Posted by BeatNavy

I think it’d be closer to 50/50 longevity/seniority, but either way B6 pilots will likely get screwed.

With the way things have been going, B6 pilots getting screwed is exactly what will happen if this merger (or acquisition) is somehow allowed to pass.

04-07-2022, 03:04 AM

#140

dera

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Originally Posted by AYLflyer

Haven't seen it mentioned, but I'm wondering if the union officers knew about this. The timing is way too suspect.

Very unlikely, well, almost certainly the union had no clue. These are publicly traded companies and something like this is held very tightly to only a small group of people, insider trading rules and so on.

The company might have just said "we really, really need this LOA, please make it pass so good things will come your way" or something obscure like that, but definitely not that there will be a buyout of another airline.