News article: Jetblue requires masks on PAX
#51
Disclaimer, I've never raised a kid, got my stepdaughters all grown up. I can see the difficulty in keeping a mask on a young child, but aren't parents capable of forcing a child to comply? Is it illegal to spank a child now days?
I remember a few years back a family was kicked off a major airline because their 3yr old kept unfastening their seatbelt so that the jet couldn't takeoff. The parents wouldn't force the child to comply so back to the gate and given the boot. Dr. Phil commented on his show about this saying something like "sometimes the parents have to be the parent, not the child's friend."
I remember a few years back a family was kicked off a major airline because their 3yr old kept unfastening their seatbelt so that the jet couldn't takeoff. The parents wouldn't force the child to comply so back to the gate and given the boot. Dr. Phil commented on his show about this saying something like "sometimes the parents have to be the parent, not the child's friend."
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Disclaimer, I've never raised a kid, got my stepdaughters all grown up. I can see the difficulty in keeping a mask on a young child, but aren't parents capable of forcing a child to comply? Is it illegal to spank a child now days?
I remember a few years back a family was kicked off a major airline because their 3yr old kept unfastening their seatbelt so that the jet couldn't takeoff. The parents wouldn't force the child to comply so back to the gate and given the boot. Dr. Phil commented on his show about this saying something like "sometimes the parents have to be the parent, not the child's friend."
I remember a few years back a family was kicked off a major airline because their 3yr old kept unfastening their seatbelt so that the jet couldn't takeoff. The parents wouldn't force the child to comply so back to the gate and given the boot. Dr. Phil commented on his show about this saying something like "sometimes the parents have to be the parent, not the child's friend."
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It's not like training a dog or something. You can't always reason with a two-year-old. Sometimes if they want to throw a tantrum, they're gonna throw a tantrum, no matter how hard you threaten to smack them. Reason isn't part of the equation. Once they get a little older, sure, you can threaten and bribe them and get them to comply, but sometimes, an infant doesn't care how much Dr. Phil you've watched.
She is 3 going on 4 now and at this point I can just talk to her and she listens. Works for me
#55
Part of taking your kids out of the house is considering what they are capable of handling, versus the possible ramifications of a failure to comply.
Want to take your kid to a movie? Fine. If your kid starts crying, you better be ready to fix it or leave.
Take your kid to a restaurant, library, air show, theme park? Same decision applies. Each will have different standards, different expectations of behavior, and different risks. Getting kicked out of McDonalds in the middle of a cheeseburger doesn’t sting as much as getting kicked out of Disney an hour after you dropped $900 on park passes.
same for flying with a kid. Follow the rules, if you can’t follow the rules, do your best to look like you’re trying, and hope they’ll cut you some slack. And when no slack is cut, smile and gather your belongings. You weighed the risks, and tried it anyway, so better luck next flight.
Want to take your kid to a movie? Fine. If your kid starts crying, you better be ready to fix it or leave.
Take your kid to a restaurant, library, air show, theme park? Same decision applies. Each will have different standards, different expectations of behavior, and different risks. Getting kicked out of McDonalds in the middle of a cheeseburger doesn’t sting as much as getting kicked out of Disney an hour after you dropped $900 on park passes.
same for flying with a kid. Follow the rules, if you can’t follow the rules, do your best to look like you’re trying, and hope they’ll cut you some slack. And when no slack is cut, smile and gather your belongings. You weighed the risks, and tried it anyway, so better luck next flight.
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Good response. I'm guessing parents have an idea if their kid can tolerate wearing a mask or keeping a seatbelt fastened.
Part of taking your kids out of the house is considering what they are capable of handling, versus the possible ramifications of a failure to comply.
Want to take your kid to a movie? Fine. If your kid starts crying, you better be ready to fix it or leave.
Take your kid to a restaurant, library, air show, theme park? Same decision applies. Each will have different standards, different expectations of behavior, and different risks. Getting kicked out of McDonalds in the middle of a cheeseburger doesn’t sting as much as getting kicked out of Disney an hour after you dropped $900 on park passes.
same for flying with a kid. Follow the rules, if you can’t follow the rules, do your best to look like you’re trying, and hope they’ll cut you some slack. And when no slack is cut, smile and gather your belongings. You weighed the risks, and tried it anyway, so better luck next flight.
Want to take your kid to a movie? Fine. If your kid starts crying, you better be ready to fix it or leave.
Take your kid to a restaurant, library, air show, theme park? Same decision applies. Each will have different standards, different expectations of behavior, and different risks. Getting kicked out of McDonalds in the middle of a cheeseburger doesn’t sting as much as getting kicked out of Disney an hour after you dropped $900 on park passes.
same for flying with a kid. Follow the rules, if you can’t follow the rules, do your best to look like you’re trying, and hope they’ll cut you some slack. And when no slack is cut, smile and gather your belongings. You weighed the risks, and tried it anyway, so better luck next flight.
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CDC loophole
CDC guidance says mask should not be worn by kids younger than 2 years old (as opposed to saying they should be worn by 2 and up).
The guidance goes on to say: “Younger children (e.g., preschool or early elementary aged) may be unable to wear a mask properly, particularly for an extended period of time. Wearing of masks may be prioritized at times when it is difficult to maintain a distance of 6 feet from others (e.g., during carpool drop off or pick up, or when standing in line at school).”
So seems you could have the kids wear the masks during boarding but relax the rules for kids afterwards..still within CDC standards
The guidance goes on to say: “Younger children (e.g., preschool or early elementary aged) may be unable to wear a mask properly, particularly for an extended period of time. Wearing of masks may be prioritized at times when it is difficult to maintain a distance of 6 feet from others (e.g., during carpool drop off or pick up, or when standing in line at school).”
So seems you could have the kids wear the masks during boarding but relax the rules for kids afterwards..still within CDC standards
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I think we were all in agreement that the policy is causing the issue. FWIW, the WHO just put out their own guidance on kids wearing masks.
https://www.businessinsider.com/children-aged-12-and-over-should-wear-masks-who-says-2020-8
https://www.businessinsider.com/children-aged-12-and-over-should-wear-masks-who-says-2020-8
#60
[QUOTE=Roy Biggins;3115692]I think we were all in agreement/QUOTE]
Let me stop you right there. One of the problems is people being given notice of a policy and expecting an exception to be made for them. We will never know if an ABC resolution could have been reached as the surrounding Pax escalated the situation to deplaning, and then further escalated the situation in the terminal. Another is parents taking their special snowflakes out in public when they are unable to behave and expecting society to just deal with it, disabilities excepted. There are other ways to travel.
Let me stop you right there. One of the problems is people being given notice of a policy and expecting an exception to be made for them. We will never know if an ABC resolution could have been reached as the surrounding Pax escalated the situation to deplaning, and then further escalated the situation in the terminal. Another is parents taking their special snowflakes out in public when they are unable to behave and expecting society to just deal with it, disabilities excepted. There are other ways to travel.
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