Class Drops
08-10-2023, 06:46 PM
#2031
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
Leaving a Regional flying a E170 with unlimited 300% to fly an E195 (which is what most recent classes are getting) at JB to take a pay cut is a lateral move.(Especially if you consider moving to your assigned JB base & seat locks & JB upgrade times). More Florida bases would help offset that. Then you have the pending merger of seniority list nightmare that never works in anyone’s favor.
Remember this post Mr. Unlimited 300%.
08-10-2023, 07:29 PM
#2033
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 132
Leaving a Regional flying a E170 with unlimited 300% to fly an E195 (which is what most recent classes are getting) at JB to take a pay cut is a lateral move.(Especially if you consider moving to your assigned JB base & seat locks & JB upgrade times). More Florida bases would help offset that. Then you have the pending merger of seniority list nightmare that never works in anyone’s favor.
1. New hires are seat locked for 1 year. That means that you'll be on the line on the E190 for under a year if you time things right.
2. The new hire classes have E190 hiring only because that's where the vacancies were on the last supplemental bid. We have a bid closing on Monday that will provide vacancies on the other fleets, so the hiring will start being mixed again soon.
3. The E190 is going away. Fleets that go away often make those pilots a lot of money due to staffing issues. I know plenty of E190 guys who made a boatload of money just due to how that plane was staffed. Your mileage may vary on this one though, as the fleet gets tiny. None of us know how that it going to shake out. Could be AMAZING with constant VDA (double time trips). Could be a lot of sitting on your butt doing nothing.
4. I cannot stress this enough, but it is never a lateral move to go from a company that doesn't own its own flying to one that does. I get it. You're looking through a narrow window, but you really need to move off that viewpoint.
5. JetBlue will be a significant player when the Spirit merger is complete. There will be some pain, as there always is. But look at the long-term.
It's a good time to be a pilot. We are in the driver's seat. If I were you, I would NOT sit at a regional fat/dumb/happy. Go somewhere that has it's logo on the paycheck, and stay there. Do not stay at your regional. For Christ's sake, and for love of all that is holy, do not stay at a regional. Go SOMEWHERE, and fish for better offers. Maybe that place that you go is here. Who knows, maybe the music stops and you get stuck here, but at least you're at a place that drives it's own destiny.
08-10-2023, 07:38 PM
#2034
Max Days Off
Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 95
It's very obvious that you don't know what you don't know, and that's okay. We've all been there. But I would try to open your mind and listen to what others are saying.
1. New hires are seat locked for 1 year. That means that you'll be on the line on the E190 for under a year if you time things right.
2. The new hire classes have E190 hiring only because that's where the vacancies were on the last supplemental bid. We have a bid closing on Monday that will provide vacancies on the other fleets, so the hiring will start being mixed again soon.
3. The E190 is going away. Fleets that go away often make those pilots a lot of money due to staffing issues. I know plenty of E190 guys who made a boatload of money just due to how that plane was staffed. Your mileage may vary on this one though, as the fleet gets tiny. None of us know how that it going to shake out. Could be AMAZING with constant VDA (double time trips). Could be a lot of sitting on your butt doing nothing.
4. I cannot stress this enough, but it is never a lateral move to go from a company that doesn't own its own flying to one that does. I get it. You're looking through a narrow window, but you really need to move off that viewpoint.
5. JetBlue will be a significant player when the Spirit merger is complete. There will be some pain, as there always is. But look at the long-term.
It's a good time to be a pilot. We are in the driver's seat. If I were you, I would NOT sit at a regional fat/dumb/happy. Go somewhere that has it's logo on the paycheck, and stay there. Do not stay at your regional. For Christ's sake, and for love of all that is holy, do not stay at a regional. Go SOMEWHERE, and fish for better offers. Maybe that place that you go is here. Who knows, maybe the music stops and you get stuck here, but at least you're at a place that drives it's own destiny.
1. New hires are seat locked for 1 year. That means that you'll be on the line on the E190 for under a year if you time things right.
2. The new hire classes have E190 hiring only because that's where the vacancies were on the last supplemental bid. We have a bid closing on Monday that will provide vacancies on the other fleets, so the hiring will start being mixed again soon.
3. The E190 is going away. Fleets that go away often make those pilots a lot of money due to staffing issues. I know plenty of E190 guys who made a boatload of money just due to how that plane was staffed. Your mileage may vary on this one though, as the fleet gets tiny. None of us know how that it going to shake out. Could be AMAZING with constant VDA (double time trips). Could be a lot of sitting on your butt doing nothing.
4. I cannot stress this enough, but it is never a lateral move to go from a company that doesn't own its own flying to one that does. I get it. You're looking through a narrow window, but you really need to move off that viewpoint.
5. JetBlue will be a significant player when the Spirit merger is complete. There will be some pain, as there always is. But look at the long-term.
It's a good time to be a pilot. We are in the driver's seat. If I were you, I would NOT sit at a regional fat/dumb/happy. Go somewhere that has it's logo on the paycheck, and stay there. Do not stay at your regional. For Christ's sake, and for love of all that is holy, do not stay at a regional. Go SOMEWHERE, and fish for better offers. Maybe that place that you go is here. Who knows, maybe the music stops and you get stuck here, but at least you're at a place that drives it's own destiny.
08-11-2023, 12:27 AM
#2035
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 135
It's very obvious that you don't know what you don't know, and that's okay. We've all been there. But I would try to open your mind and listen to what others are saying.
1. New hires are seat locked for 1 year. That means that you'll be on the line on the E190 for under a year if you time things right.
2. The new hire classes have E190 hiring only because that's where the vacancies were on the last supplemental bid. We have a bid closing on Monday that will provide vacancies on the other fleets, so the hiring will start being mixed again soon.
3. The E190 is going away. Fleets that go away often make those pilots a lot of money due to staffing issues. I know plenty of E190 guys who made a boatload of money just due to how that plane was staffed. Your mileage may vary on this one though, as the fleet gets tiny. None of us know how that it going to shake out. Could be AMAZING with constant VDA (double time trips). Could be a lot of sitting on your butt doing nothing.
4. I cannot stress this enough, but it is never a lateral move to go from a company that doesn't own its own flying to one that does. I get it. You're looking through a narrow window, but you really need to move off that viewpoint.
5. JetBlue will be a significant player when the Spirit merger is complete. There will be some pain, as there always is. But look at the long-term.
It's a good time to be a pilot. We are in the driver's seat. If I were you, I would NOT sit at a regional fat/dumb/happy. Go somewhere that has it's logo on the paycheck, and stay there. Do not stay at your regional. For Christ's sake, and for love of all that is holy, do not stay at a regional. Go SOMEWHERE, and fish for better offers. Maybe that place that you go is here. Who knows, maybe the music stops and you get stuck here, but at least you're at a place that drives it's own destiny.
1. New hires are seat locked for 1 year. That means that you'll be on the line on the E190 for under a year if you time things right.
2. The new hire classes have E190 hiring only because that's where the vacancies were on the last supplemental bid. We have a bid closing on Monday that will provide vacancies on the other fleets, so the hiring will start being mixed again soon.
3. The E190 is going away. Fleets that go away often make those pilots a lot of money due to staffing issues. I know plenty of E190 guys who made a boatload of money just due to how that plane was staffed. Your mileage may vary on this one though, as the fleet gets tiny. None of us know how that it going to shake out. Could be AMAZING with constant VDA (double time trips). Could be a lot of sitting on your butt doing nothing.
4. I cannot stress this enough, but it is never a lateral move to go from a company that doesn't own its own flying to one that does. I get it. You're looking through a narrow window, but you really need to move off that viewpoint.
5. JetBlue will be a significant player when the Spirit merger is complete. There will be some pain, as there always is. But look at the long-term.
It's a good time to be a pilot. We are in the driver's seat. If I were you, I would NOT sit at a regional fat/dumb/happy. Go somewhere that has it's logo on the paycheck, and stay there. Do not stay at your regional. For Christ's sake, and for love of all that is holy, do not stay at a regional. Go SOMEWHERE, and fish for better offers. Maybe that place that you go is here. Who knows, maybe the music stops and you get stuck here, but at least you're at a place that drives it's own destiny.
Best post ever. Thanks!
08-11-2023, 06:23 AM
#2036
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 432
08-11-2023, 07:31 AM
#2037
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,665
08-12-2023, 08:06 AM
#2038
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: blueJet
Posts: 4,535
This would never happen but let’s pretend…
- The House and Biden sign “Age 67” legislation
- Legacy geezers don’t retire because they’re at the top of their pay scale, top of their seniority list, and this is the first time they’ve made $350/hr.
- The legacies trim back hiring, say 75%… they don’t stop hiring, but they can be much more selective.
- The current legacy hiring pools take 6 months or a year to dry up as classes are smaller and less frequent.
- Pilots stop leaving JetBlue etc. for legacies since quick upgrades are gone and hiring committees are more selective.
- Jetblue etc. stop hiring because attrition ended overnight.
- Regionals continue hiring to catch up with years of past attrition but management wipes away retention bonuses, signing bonuses, and premium time.
- No more 300%
- Two years from now, just as the Age 67 retirements are due to kick in, something happens that throws the transportation sector on its ear and airline hiring stops for the next 5-10 years. Possible examples - economic downturn, SARS epidemic, terrorist attack, housing market crash, gas prices skyrocket, war breaks out in the Middle East, big airline bankruptcies, big airline mergers, etc… etc…
Or none of that ever happens… and the Regionals are a great place to spend a career while waiting for B6 to improve training pay.
- The House and Biden sign “Age 67” legislation
- Legacy geezers don’t retire because they’re at the top of their pay scale, top of their seniority list, and this is the first time they’ve made $350/hr.
- The legacies trim back hiring, say 75%… they don’t stop hiring, but they can be much more selective.
- The current legacy hiring pools take 6 months or a year to dry up as classes are smaller and less frequent.
- Pilots stop leaving JetBlue etc. for legacies since quick upgrades are gone and hiring committees are more selective.
- Jetblue etc. stop hiring because attrition ended overnight.
- Regionals continue hiring to catch up with years of past attrition but management wipes away retention bonuses, signing bonuses, and premium time.
- No more 300%
- Two years from now, just as the Age 67 retirements are due to kick in, something happens that throws the transportation sector on its ear and airline hiring stops for the next 5-10 years. Possible examples - economic downturn, SARS epidemic, terrorist attack, housing market crash, gas prices skyrocket, war breaks out in the Middle East, big airline bankruptcies, big airline mergers, etc… etc…
Or none of that ever happens… and the Regionals are a great place to spend a career while waiting for B6 to improve training pay.
08-12-2023, 08:43 AM
#2039
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 132
This would never happen but let’s pretend…
- The House and Biden sign “Age 67” legislation
- Legacy geezers don’t retire because they’re at the top of their pay scale, top of their seniority list, and this is the first time they’ve made $350/hr.
- The legacies trim back hiring, say 75%… they don’t stop hiring, but they can be much more selective.
- The current legacy hiring pools take 6 months or a year to dry up as classes are smaller and less frequent.
- Pilots stop leaving JetBlue etc. for legacies since quick upgrades are gone and hiring committees are more selective.
- Jetblue etc. stop hiring because attrition ended overnight.
- Regionals continue hiring to catch up with years of past attrition but management wipes away retention bonuses, signing bonuses, and premium time.
- No more 300%
- Two years from now, just as the Age 67 retirements are due to kick in, something happens that throws the transportation sector on its ear and airline hiring stops for the next 5-10 years. Possible examples - economic downturn, SARS epidemic, terrorist attack, housing market crash, gas prices skyrocket, war breaks out in the Middle East, big airline bankruptcies, big airline mergers, etc… etc…
Or none of that ever happens… and the Regionals are a great place to spend a career while waiting for B6 to improve training pay.
- The House and Biden sign “Age 67” legislation
- Legacy geezers don’t retire because they’re at the top of their pay scale, top of their seniority list, and this is the first time they’ve made $350/hr.
- The legacies trim back hiring, say 75%… they don’t stop hiring, but they can be much more selective.
- The current legacy hiring pools take 6 months or a year to dry up as classes are smaller and less frequent.
- Pilots stop leaving JetBlue etc. for legacies since quick upgrades are gone and hiring committees are more selective.
- Jetblue etc. stop hiring because attrition ended overnight.
- Regionals continue hiring to catch up with years of past attrition but management wipes away retention bonuses, signing bonuses, and premium time.
- No more 300%
- Two years from now, just as the Age 67 retirements are due to kick in, something happens that throws the transportation sector on its ear and airline hiring stops for the next 5-10 years. Possible examples - economic downturn, SARS epidemic, terrorist attack, housing market crash, gas prices skyrocket, war breaks out in the Middle East, big airline bankruptcies, big airline mergers, etc… etc…
Or none of that ever happens… and the Regionals are a great place to spend a career while waiting for B6 to improve training pay.
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