JetBlue Flight Attendants Vote To Join TWU
#41
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I disagree. Assuming a national list existed, seniority should start when you get hired at your first airline, just like everyone else. We all choose our path, and they chose the path with free flight training and decent pay while they serve the country. While I applaud and celebrate their service, I do not believe that it should place them ahead of anyone who worked their way into the industry in other ways.
Granted, it's far easier now for civilian guys than it was when most of us came through, but imagine how angry you would be if on day 1 at your regional the military guys could hold captain earning $60,000 a year, and you were a junior reserve in the right seat making $18,000 per year. No way would that fly. Maybe a longevity credit that have them a pay bump? That's fine and has no impact on their fellow pilots. But a seniority bump puts them ahead of the line, which isn't fair.
Granted, it's far easier now for civilian guys than it was when most of us came through, but imagine how angry you would be if on day 1 at your regional the military guys could hold captain earning $60,000 a year, and you were a junior reserve in the right seat making $18,000 per year. No way would that fly. Maybe a longevity credit that have them a pay bump? That's fine and has no impact on their fellow pilots. But a seniority bump puts them ahead of the line, which isn't fair.
Ok, I actually think a national LONGEVITY list would be the best solution. You might have to start over, but it wouldnt be at year 1 pay. You also wouldnt get pushback from the "I got mine, screw you!" crowd.
ALPA has bigger fish to fry, like lithium batteries. (Important, but fight for pay, benefits, and job security FIRST.)
It IS possible to realize ALPA is necesary, while acknowledging its complete failure to tackle the big issues. Since work rules and pay are handled by the local MECs, what exactly should ALPA national be doing? It seems it has forgotten or doesnt care.
#42
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To me, there's no such thing as bigger fish to fry. There must be a distinction between more important vs. more imperative. Many of these issues are equally important or at least relatively to close to one another. However, issues change how imperative they are from hour to hour.
A large, cash cow, like ALPA, should easily be able to handle multiple projects at one time without degradation in combat effectiveness. I know I could! This is why in the military you have a chain of command with various pyramidal echelons. It works pretty well and I've seen it work wonders from issues such as Hurricane Katrina to the Gulf War. My problem with ALPA is that rather than having people with a bias for action, you mostly have seat fillers who have grown too complacent.
ALPA needs to be run like a military unit: mission objectives, secondaries, rules of engagement, chain of command, flag officers, officers, Air Tasking Order, master battle plan, etc.
They are not activists nor do they have the strongest of skillsets (e.g. computer skills). I see they *finally* sent an email about not removing FOs from aircraft. Too bad they have crappy arguments that will not be effective in convincing people. Come on ALPA... get your $h!t in a pit, and your ducks in a row.
Teachers' unions are pretty effective at making noise and getting results.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
A large, cash cow, like ALPA, should easily be able to handle multiple projects at one time without degradation in combat effectiveness. I know I could! This is why in the military you have a chain of command with various pyramidal echelons. It works pretty well and I've seen it work wonders from issues such as Hurricane Katrina to the Gulf War. My problem with ALPA is that rather than having people with a bias for action, you mostly have seat fillers who have grown too complacent.
ALPA needs to be run like a military unit: mission objectives, secondaries, rules of engagement, chain of command, flag officers, officers, Air Tasking Order, master battle plan, etc.
They are not activists nor do they have the strongest of skillsets (e.g. computer skills). I see they *finally* sent an email about not removing FOs from aircraft. Too bad they have crappy arguments that will not be effective in convincing people. Come on ALPA... get your $h!t in a pit, and your ducks in a row.
Teachers' unions are pretty effective at making noise and getting results.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#43
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“ALPA needs to be run like a military unit: mission objectives, secondaries, rules of engagement, chain of command, flag officers, officers, Air Tasking Order, master battle plan, etc.”
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#44
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People tend to confuse a an abundance of factual knowledge and excellent typing skills with intelligence and reasoning. Accuracy is not the same as precision, and gathering factual information and stringing them into invalid conclusions convincing is not.
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#45
ALPA is incredibly powerful with deep pockets and strong political influence. It chooses not to rock the boat. The $$$ rolls in and the steak dinner stay hot.
B6 is in BIG trouble this summer with no CBA. Checking blueconnect for my release I could see at least 15 flights that where on today’s date when they were supposed to be completed the day prior. Anyone see a cloud in the northeast yesterday? ATC and weather. Must be it.
The pilots consist of what 5% of the labor cost at JetBlue? Yet, the pilot labor contract takes up 90% of the ELT discussion and drama. Why? It’s so pathetic. Good luck moving jets this summer ELT. Your sweet spot brand is about to diarrhea down the T5 window panes.
-Bubs
B6 is in BIG trouble this summer with no CBA. Checking blueconnect for my release I could see at least 15 flights that where on today’s date when they were supposed to be completed the day prior. Anyone see a cloud in the northeast yesterday? ATC and weather. Must be it.
The pilots consist of what 5% of the labor cost at JetBlue? Yet, the pilot labor contract takes up 90% of the ELT discussion and drama. Why? It’s so pathetic. Good luck moving jets this summer ELT. Your sweet spot brand is about to diarrhea down the T5 window panes.
-Bubs
#46
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
ALPA is incredibly powerful with deep pockets and strong political influence. It chooses not to rock the boat. The $$$ rolls in and the steak dinner stay hot.
B6 is in BIG trouble this summer with no CBA. Checking blueconnect for my release I could see at least 15 flights that where on today’s date when they were supposed to be completed the day prior. Anyone see a cloud in the northeast yesterday? ATC and weather. Must be it.
The pilots consist of what 5% of the labor cost at JetBlue? Yet, the pilot labor contract takes up 90% of the ELT discussion and drama. Why? It’s so pathetic. Good luck moving jets this summer ELT. Your sweet spot brand is about to diarrhea down the T5 window panes.
-Bubs
B6 is in BIG trouble this summer with no CBA. Checking blueconnect for my release I could see at least 15 flights that where on today’s date when they were supposed to be completed the day prior. Anyone see a cloud in the northeast yesterday? ATC and weather. Must be it.
The pilots consist of what 5% of the labor cost at JetBlue? Yet, the pilot labor contract takes up 90% of the ELT discussion and drama. Why? It’s so pathetic. Good luck moving jets this summer ELT. Your sweet spot brand is about to diarrhea down the T5 window panes.
-Bubs
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