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- Short Video - highly educational: https://www.prageru.com/videos/fascism-right-or-left
Of course I want equal rights – equal human rights. I don’t want rights based on race, gender, or any other discriminative metric. The only way to achieve leftist “equality” is through racism, discrimination, and sexism. If you promote one demographic of people based on race, gender, or some other inherent quality, then you infringe on someone else’s rights. For example, the left keep pushing for 50% women/50% men (equality of outcome) rather than having equal human rights and letting the outcomes fall out naturally. In order to achieve 50/50, you have to discriminate based on race, gender, sex, etc.
Have you noticed that the Democrats have not improved anything for minorities? That’s not their real goal. They simply want more votes by “giving you stuff” which ironically was stolen initially via theft through taxation. Keep in mind I am not a defender on the Republicans either but the Democrats market themselves differently. Don't believe leftist marketing slogans. It’s still the Bloods vs. The Crips.
- Skid Row in Los Angeles. Katie Hopkins. – really good video report on Skid Row (2018) in L.A.
Democrat policies in motion…
- Let the events in Cypress be a warning to us
- Are Italy’s Banks About to Explode?
- The Greek financial crisis, explained in fewer than 500 words
- Sweden: Rape Capital of the West
- The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S
- Brexit The Movie ---- this is a REALLY good documentary.
I don’t support groupings of people (governments, associations, unions, special interest groups, and so on) by that nomenclature alone. If their principles align with me, then we can work together. I support individual principles and actions, not people blindly.
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#32
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How do you integrate military pilots into it? It can't be a simple hours conversion. The military has a vastly different operating domain incomparable to civil transportation operations. There are guys that fly at 80,000 ft.+ in astronaut suits, guys that fight in wars, mid air-to-air refueling of heavy aircraft, low-level airdrops, air-to-air combat, bombing missions, aircraft carrier operations, nuclear weapon missions, test pilots, and so on... They fly a lot less "hours" but they do 10 times more because they do things that isn't done in civil Point A to B flying. I've really considered this and talked it out with ALPA big dogz and there's no fair or easy solution. I'm genuinely interested in finding a good way to have some kind of seniority list.... By definition, a seniority starts when you begin civil flying operations, otherwise you have to somehow insert military pilots into the stack.
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#33
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I agree with everything you said. About the seniority list...
How do you integrate military pilots into it? It can't be a simple hours conversion. The military has a vastly different operating domain incomparable to civil transportation operations. There are guys that fly at 80,000 ft.+ in astronaut suits, guys that fight in wars, mid air-to-air refueling of heavy aircraft, low-level airdrops, air-to-air combat, bombing missions, aircraft carrier operations, nuclear weapon missions, test pilots, and so on... They fly a lot less "hours" but they do 10 times more because they do things that isn't done in civil Point A to B flying. I've really considered this and talked it out with ALPA big dogz and there's no fair or easy solution. I'm genuinely interested in finding a good way to have some kind of seniority list.... By definition, a seniority starts when you begin civil flying operations, otherwise you have to somehow insert military pilots into the stack.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
How do you integrate military pilots into it? It can't be a simple hours conversion. The military has a vastly different operating domain incomparable to civil transportation operations. There are guys that fly at 80,000 ft.+ in astronaut suits, guys that fight in wars, mid air-to-air refueling of heavy aircraft, low-level airdrops, air-to-air combat, bombing missions, aircraft carrier operations, nuclear weapon missions, test pilots, and so on... They fly a lot less "hours" but they do 10 times more because they do things that isn't done in civil Point A to B flying. I've really considered this and talked it out with ALPA big dogz and there's no fair or easy solution. I'm genuinely interested in finding a good way to have some kind of seniority list.... By definition, a seniority starts when you begin civil flying operations, otherwise you have to somehow insert military pilots into the stack.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#34
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Granted, it's far easier now for civilian guys than it was when most of us came through, but imagine how angry you would be if on day 1 at your regional the military guys could hold captain earning $60,000 a year, and you were a junior reserve in the right seat making $18,000 per year. No way would that fly. Maybe a longevity credit that have them a pay bump? That's fine and has no impact on their fellow pilots. But a seniority bump puts them ahead of the line, which isn't fair.
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It's for legal reasons. That way the opposition cannot say that it's an attempt to organize a job action. In other words, it's clearly labeled as first amendment protected speech. Everything you watch on TV, particularly the "news", is also for "entertainment only". I would also say that I'm not offering legal advice or medical advice.
#36
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A national seniority list? Can anyone name a seniority list integration resulting from a merger of just *two* airlines that didn’t result in serious consternation? Heck, go read the Alaska/VA thread right now.
What color is the sky in your utopian fantasy land?
What color is the sky in your utopian fantasy land?
#37
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Not debating your point because I agree with it, but a national list has been discussed ad nauseum...there’s just no good way to establish it. The problem is, we are the only industry where we can’t take our experience and longevity with us if we are dissatisfied with our emoloyer, or if our employer goes under, which puts us at a huge disadvantage against management since they can drag out negotiations, keep pay lower knowing we are “stuck” (in the sense that it would cost us too much to give up our seniority and start over). I don’t think queue is the first to bring it up, and I don’t think it’s only his utopian fantasy land.
#38
Not debating your point because I agree with it, but a national list has been discussed ad nauseum...there’s just no good way to establish it. The problem is, we are the only industry where we can’t take our experience and longevity with us if we are dissatisfied with our emoloyer, or if our employer goes under, which puts us at a huge disadvantage against management since they can drag out negotiations, keep pay lower knowing we are “stuck” (in the sense that it would cost us too much to give up our seniority and start over). I don’t think queue is the first to bring it up, and I don’t think it’s only his utopian fantasy land.
The thing about arbitrary line drawing is, well, it's arbitrary.
#39
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You are delusional if you think the RLA — a law with its primary goal of not disrupting interstate commerce — can be changed that would allow a union to strike in 31 days.
In your fantasy world, what would prevent a union from demanding $1000 per hour and 25 days off a month and then kicking back and waiting for day 31?
I’m not defending the current years-long process, but dreaming of unicorns and rainbows isn’t going to fix it.
In your fantasy world, what would prevent a union from demanding $1000 per hour and 25 days off a month and then kicking back and waiting for day 31?
I’m not defending the current years-long process, but dreaming of unicorns and rainbows isn’t going to fix it.
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One way that they can spin it too is "31 days of negotiations", meaning if you negotiate for 4 days this month or even this yearrr and you have 27 days left to negotiate. Which technically could still take negotiation 3, 4, 5 years (or as long as they want just like now) before "day 31" occurs. So there would need to be a caveat in there to force company to conduct negotiations atleast 2 days per month, the most they'd delay an agreement is 15 months before a strike. Just a thought.
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