Warhawg01

You are delusional if you think the RLA — a law with its primary goal of not disrupting interstate commerce — can be changed that would allow a union to strike in 31 days.

In your fantasy world, what would prevent a union from demanding $1000 per hour and 25 days off a month and then kicking back and waiting for day 31?

I’m not defending the current years-long process, but dreaming of unicorns and rainbows isn’t going to fix it.

WhistlePig

That's the way government works. That's they way it's supposed to work. You can google Chevron deference on your own.

Regarding the Southern Poverty Law Center: They bankrupt the KKK, literally made them disappear for decades, at least until the climate in America was more accepting of them again. You have an issue with that??

PowderFinger

Spot on.

It amazes me that QU bashes the left while wanting to strengthen the RLA ... Truth be known most people I know on the right would like to get rid of unions altogether ... Make all states "Right to Work" which actually means "right to fire for any reason without cause".

We need to get back to meeting in the middle. JMHO

queue

It's for legal reasons. That way the opposition cannot say that it's an attempt to organize a job action. In other words, it's clearly labeled as first amendment protected speech. Everything you watch on TV, particularly the "news", is also for "entertainment only". I would also say that I'm not offering legal advice or medical advice.


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queue

Why is it dilusional? Because you cannot fathom a law that actually benefits employees? What we DO know is that the RLA is not serving the stakeholders very well, except for corporations. If disruption of interstate commerce is a concern, then simply a corporation can keep its employees happy. It's not very hard to follow the golden rule except when you are excessively greedy.

In my fantasy world, why would you assume that a union *would* demand $1000/hr + 25 off? Why do you have asymmetric trust levels for management vs. employees? Even the most powerful union on the planet, the civilian federal government employee union, still requires their employees to actually work. Not all of them are bad, even though I was their biggest enemy, once upon a time. Abuses could've been handled by more transparency. I'm not against that... I welcome it. That's why I attack ALPA as well as work for them. Did you know that government agencies are now ignoring FOIA requests that ask for federal employee salaries? That's an abuse that the government employee union needs to clean house about.

The thing we KNOW from history is that management unilaterally screws employees most of the time. Why do we allow our servant government to take power away from the average person?

Why are you so intellectually defeated that you cannot imagine a different, better world?


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queue

I bash the left because they are fascist authoritarians that market themselves by exploiting minorities, race bating, sexism, and censorship while doing absolutely nothing to solve any problems. The left believes in Socialism and Communism - they want the government to run your life and that your *rights* come from the state. These are systems that have been proven throughout history, without exception, not to work. They always end up in poverty (NYC, Chicago, SFO, LAX, Venezuela), fascism (National Socialism - Nazis), and death (Chairman Mao of China - millions and millions dead). The *only* system that has ever worked is a Constitutional Republic whose economic system is governed by free choice (Capitalism) where everyone has equal power.

I'm not on the "establishment right"... I'm a Constitutionalist. That also means that I am not anti-union in our current state of affairs. Ideally if we didn't have the RLA, we wouldn't need unions. The *only* reason we need unions now is for the LEGAL ability to fight workplace abuses BECAUSE the RLA *does* exist. If we had no RLA, we could go on strike whenever and get results much faster.

What we have now is corporatism. Companies collude with government to write the laws the benefit them. "Right to work" is a perfect example of corporatism. While I support being able to fire people, the RLA has effectively taken your ability to fight back. You forget that even a right to work state, there is no law stopping you from negotiating an individual employment contract with an employer. You could write the contract or an industry watchdog group could write it. For example, a Service Industry Watchdog group could write a simple contract that all service industry workers show up to McDonalds or Joe Moma RV builders with. It would be voluntary for employees to do it but eventually it will sell itself. Like anything else in the world, people support things that deliver. If the contract is weak and worthless, no one will go along with it. Don't think that government (RLA) is the *only* way to solve a problem -- that is an intellectual limitation of the uneducated/willfully ignorant left.

Also, I'm not a anarchist. Government is a necessary evil. As such, it needs to always be minimized. Otherwise, government always has the same modes of failure (see my previous link to that drinking water documentary). We don't need more laws, we need BETTER laws. The RLA needs to be amended to benefit us just as much as corporations.


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PowderFinger

Thank you for the reply. I have saved this one with a screen shot for my drinking buddies ... Should be great fun next time we get together.

I would think you just made all of that up for entertainment except I have followed your post for a bit and you have been some what consistent,

What a F(reference to Fornication Under Consent of the Kingdom)ked up confused individual to the point you will never be happy. Thanks for the laugh.

queue

While you drink, ponder about what you are escaping.



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PasserOGas

Queue, you are vastly more intelligent than most people. You make balanced arguments and get puzzled looks from people quite often I am guessing. My advice to you is this.

Dumb down your argument.

Example:

The RLA is bad. (Small words.)
It serves management and government. It allows 8 year negotiations meanwhile even speaking about calling out sick is a criminal offense. Free speech anyone? (Dont mention the constitution by name. It makes people feel stupid when they havent read it.) ALPA national has gone off the rails. It cares more about old people flying light sport aircraft than killing the cancer that is the regional industry.

Things more important than 3rd class medicals in LSAs that ALPA doesnt seem to care about?

(Give them a list. Retards love that $hit.)

1. A national seniority list. Take away the biggest impediment to moving to better a better job, and make the airlines compete on pay.

2. Repeal or fix the RLA.

3. Kill the regional industry. Lobby for an end to the practice of Envoy putting AA on its tail and make it clear what is going on there.

Queue. If a word has more than three syllables dont use it unless really needed. Channel Trump. More than half the people on this board think he is a genius.

symbian simian

Holy what a wall of crap!
No, the left in the USA are not socialist/communist, they mostly believe in democracy as opposed to corporatism.
They are not fascists/national socialist as those are really right wing.
They don't exploit minorities, that is the job of the GOP, same for race BAITING and sexism. ( Unless you don't want equal rights?).
Censorship has F all to do with political orientation.
The latest tax cuts are doing nothing for the economy but the left has a problem with balancing budgets??
NYC, LAX, SFO are cities with very low unemployment and very high wages, how socialist.
Most countries in the EU are on par with the US and are constitutional Monarchies.

Most of all:
You either support your union or you are conservative, there is no way in the current political climate to do both.