ProfessorJoeVee

OK so I tried to use a little humour to open your eyes. From the content of your response I observe that you are oblivious to what you are doing to the industry.

Every chip you take degrades the industry for the rest of us and ultimately yourselves. Understand: I am not talking about industry rivalries, competition, marketing, slots. I am talking about how every decision by your pilot group to allow mangement to lower the industry standard without opposition degrades what other pilot groups must deal with; even pilot groups which will never be in competition with JetBlue in any market.

I have often questioned myself: "What will it take for JetBlue pilots to stop the decisions made by management?"

Turning the pilot group into "contract labor"? No, they accpted it without a whimper.

Getting the pilot group to go to the FAA with the company for FAR Duty Limit relief? No, the pilot group gladly did this.

After being turned down for the FAR Duty Limits allowing the company to use the pilot group as unofficial lab rats to back door the FAA? No. Approx. 30 pilots participated in this dangerous attempt to sneak the cheese past the rat.

How about uniform policy? The pilot group doesn't even have backbone enough to change this. They allow themselves to be dressed like "Bozo the Clown" imitators.

There is an old saying: "If you are not with me, you're against me."

It is becoming more clear all the time.

Boys of B6, you are against me and my industry.

Velocipede

Amen, bro, amen. And that, in a nutshell, is why I won't give them a jumpseat ride. Professionals don't stab other professionals in the back.

FlyerJosh

And how exactly is using the jumpseat as a political tool professional behavior? Says a lot about yourself.

I personally think that you could do more good by "educating" these folks when they travel on your aircraft than kicking them away. The only thing you're likely to do is hurt your fellow employees when you breed ill will against your company by denying them a jumpseat.

Velocipede

Yo, Josh. Come back in about 15 years when you have some major airline experience. Then your opinions may have some validity. Ever heard of CRM? I don't have time to "educate" anyone on the flight deck. And there wouldn't be any "education" going on if they're sitting in the back getting a free ride under false pretenses.

So, give the "educate" them argument a rest, son.

FlyerJosh

I guarantee you that in 15 years, I won't have any major airline experience - I'm quite happy working outside of the airline world, thanks. (It's nice to not have to put up with the BS like I've seen on these boards and be treated like a valuable asset by your boss.)

Besides if you think flying for a regional is all that different from the majors, it isn't. My 5 years in both seats of the CRJ and other types is more than enough for me to know that CRM is CRM in all areas of aviation. Besides the guys at the majors read the same USAToday that I do.

Justify how you want, it's still UNprofessional to deny a jumpseat based on politics of the cockpit (with the exception of scabs).

Skyone

You are such the wised aged one. Talk to me when you have 28 years in this industry, national union experience, MEC, negotiating committees, son. I do, and I think your opinions are crap for union building, and obviously national ALPA, your js coordinator and those trying to build a national concensus disagree with you. But "it's my toy and my airline says what I can do with it" ref. JS. You talk about CRM. Your attitude which you demonstrate here, son, reflects negatively on what CRM skills you might think you have, son. You're probably right, you wouldn't have time to educate anyone on your flightdeck with your constant *****ing. son.

HotMamaPilot

for WHATEVER it's worth velocipede, i'm on your side and agree 100 % with you. I think the people who don't agree are the same people who are potential b6'ers and maybe also potential sc@&*

Velocipede

Atta girl, HMP. There are more of us out there with the same opinion than these jamokes would care to think.

P.S. Nothing amuses me more than 5 year regional pilots who think they "know" what the airline biz is all about.

P.P.S. I thought I was on someone's ignore list. Guess not.

BoilerUP

Velocipede, HMP, et al.:

I'm sure the employees of your company that rely on Jetblue for commuting would just love for you to start a jumpseat war based upon your own definitions of professionalism...

FlyerJosh

VP- that's fine... I call it how I see it. You've stated yourself on here that "we are our own worst enemy". Using something like the jumpseat as a "tool" to punish any pilot group only has the potential to come back and bite you in the ass.

I "know" enough about the airline biz to know that I don't want any part of it any more thanks to one track folk like yourself.