de727ups

Personally, I don't consider Jetblue a "scab mentality" airline. It's like saying Skywest pilots have a "scab mentality". It's throwing a strong word around where it doesn't belong.

Sadly, there are a few vocal haters at this forum. I'd suggest that rather than get into flamefest with them that one use the ignore feature. It does wonders.

ProfessorJoeVee

Oh Ye Fools....

greedyairlineexec

problem with the meeting is that no one new about it . alpa needs road shows on the east west and midwest, to make it easy for potencial memebers to aatend. JFK, MCO,FLL,ORD,LAX,SFO. meetings on those cities and and email to all JB pilots would help a lot.
if you don't know, you can't go.

legend

The people at Blue shirt are alright by me. If given the chance I would fly for them in a heart beat. There is so much hypocrocy from V, and joey in thier statements. A airline has to start somewhere just like every other one out there. You sit back in your comfortable job and judge other pilots for taking jobs, that if pushed you would accept too if the circumstances required it. What you two are doing is driving away potential union brothers that could help our industry.

One of the reasons there are new ultra low cost airlines is because the industry demands it. The public has demanded lower tickets prices, and better customer service. People feel over charged and taken advantage of for what they get. I tend too agree.

Another reason for managments that keep the pay, benefit low is directly related to supply and demand. I believe that is changing with most airlines and other pilot jobs becoming available. If you noticed Jet BLue just raised their second year CA EMB-190 pay by ten dolllars. Other airlines will do the same because there are more job openings than pilots. I truly believe its becoming a pilots market and will be for some time to come. If that is true then we as airline pilots need to come together instead of boycotting. I am sure V and joey are experienced pilots that are just disgruntled because of the way the industry has treated them and other pilots in the past. I dont blame you for having ill feelings towards the industry. Use that energy to help, promote, and educate the junior pilots of our industry that can help us have and maintain a better way of living.

de727ups

"There is so much hypocrocy from V, and joey in thier statements."

I agree. What I fear is JB folks are steered away from posting here because of a couple of haters. That would be unfortunate.

ProfessorJoeVee

Thanks for telling me what the "public demands".

It's time for you to wake up from your fantasy land.

--The "public" doesn't demand a pilot group go to the FAA and ask for Duty Limits Extension Waviers: A non-union pilot group afraid of mangement does.

--The "public" doesn't demand individual 5 year contracts: A union-busting mangement team does.

--The "public" doesn't demand non-sanctioned Duty Limit studies which bust FAR done in secret from the FAA: A mangement team unafraid of the pilot group does.

--The "public" doesn't demand pilots wear blue uniform shirts and clean aircraft cabins: A pilot group scared of mangement willingly accepts it even though it degrades a profession.

--The "public" doesn't demand pilots be interviewed by F/A with High School educations: Mangement does because it pre-conditions them to be docile torwards authority.

This isn't about what the "public demands". It's about what it takes to keep a profession from backsliding further.

legend

Quote: From Joey
--The "public" doesn't demand pilots wear blue uniform shirts and clean aircraft cabins: A pilot group scared of mangement willingly accepts it even though it degrades a profession."

Joey, what degrades the profession is people like you who blame everyone else except yourself for all the problems in this industry. You have no audience! Your tactics go on deaf ears! If you want change you need to rethink your verbal psychology. Reverse psychology is not working my fellow pilot.

Skyone

Jay Vee,
The public doesn't demand, what? The public wants bus rate fares. They care about little more, unless metal is bent or they are inconvienenced. That's it. Proof? CAL after Lorenzo would never had kept flying. Valujet after their accident would never had continued flying. Blue shirts, cleaning cabins etc.? They do not care....it's fares and fares only. The public would rather pay five dollars for a snickers bar on the aircraft than pay two dollars extra for a fare.

And cleaning cabins? At Delta during the 70s and early 80s, pilots used to do the same, help load bags now and again and do whatever they could to help get an aircraft off the gate near on time. Everyone pulled together to make things work. What a refreshing concept. And don't say, look at Delta now. Management destroyed that esprite de corps. Doesn't degrade the profession, it shows the rest of the employees that you aren't some prima donna too good to try and make the airline work.

FlyerJosh

Why's everybody hung up on the blue shirts? Give it a rest! I don't miss wearing a white shirt every day, and think the uniforms look pretty good. At least JB pilots don't look like skycaps. I'll wear blue to work (often with a dark colored tie) when I fly as long as it isn't too warm out.

The color of your shirt doesn't make you a professional. It's your actions and how you wear that shirt that dictate your image (and worth), IMHO. I've seen plenty of slobs in white Van Huesen aviator shirts.

FlyerJosh

I don't think JB folks are the only ones that are leaving the site because of the negativity...

Many folks can handle skyhigh. For the most part, while stubborn, he's been a known variable and kept things civil. Some of the other posters have started to turn these forums into another FI.com.