JetBlue contractors vote to strike
#21
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
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Yes, the RLA makes negotiating lengthy, but there are advantages it provides to the labor group that the NLRB does not which your ALPA legal rep can explain to you. One of the most important being a unified labor group versus multiple local union groups that are pitted against each other and subsequent whipsaw. Don't forget that the RLA mediation process can also delay paycuts in a downturn, and protects you from a management lockout.
It used to protect against pay cuts, until Lorenzo discovered the "bankruptcy car wash".
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
JetBlue contractors vote to strike
Incorrect. The one thing they ask is that we join the union and pay dues. That's the one thing they ask...
They also ask additional requests:
That we participate in surveys. (I do)
That we vote (I do)
That we go to meetings (I do)
That we follow SOP (I do)
The only thing I refuse to do is wear the lanyard. I wear my ALPA pin. If that isn't enough, oh well.
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#23
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Incorrect. The one thing they ask is that we join the union and pay dues. That's the one thing they ask...
They also ask additional requests:
That we participate in surveys. (I do)
That we vote (I do)
That we go to meetings (I do)
That we follow SOP (I do)
The only thing I refuse to do ya wear the lanyard. I wear my ALPA pin. If that isn't enough, oh well.
They also ask additional requests:
That we participate in surveys. (I do)
That we vote (I do)
That we go to meetings (I do)
That we follow SOP (I do)
The only thing I refuse to do ya wear the lanyard. I wear my ALPA pin. If that isn't enough, oh well.
The things they actually ask:
That you wear a lanyard (you don’t)
That you go to a rally (you didn’t)
That you stand next to your brothers and sisters at the picket (you didn’t).
Ask yourself, if 0 pilots showed up for the picket, would the company give anything at the negotiating table? So why didn’t you contribute? If 0 pilots wore a lanyard and didn’t do what the union asked, would the company think there is any unity or backing of the union? So where is yours?
F&H doesn’t measure unity with ALPA pins. They do see lanyards and numbers at the picket. Again, we will keep rowing the boat, and you can keep floating in your dinghy, laying there by yourself tethered to the boat we are rowing. We will pull your deadweight along, even as you paddle against us. The union is stronger than the few individuals like you remaining.
Last edited by BeatNavy; 02-02-2018 at 07:36 PM.
#24
I’ve come to realize flying with the lanyardless (with exception of one who is anti company AND anti union) is probably the single most frustrating thing to deal with. Labor dispute aside, operationally it’s just aggravating. All about them, could care less about anyone else because “they got theirs.”
#25
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Position: Airbus Capt
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I’ve come to realize flying with the lanyardless (with exception of one who is anti company AND anti union) is probably the single most frustrating thing to deal with. Labor dispute aside, operationally it’s just aggravating. All about them, could care less about anyone else because “they got theirs.”
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#28
you could say that about anything. you don't seem very sure of yourself.
#29
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People in the past couldn't imagine Pan Am or Twa will ever go bust , it was unthinkable, but events and events after events that were taken for granted and i am not talking about PA103, facilitate the shutdown and still blames going back and forth between various parties as who was responsible.
lately some were saved by mergers or being pushed for a merger.
Bottom line don't get shocked if anything happens not only B6, but others as well as even the untouchables today DL, AA, UA etc....
Me being wrong or right is just a false hope, but reality in near future B6 will cease to exist like the others in past.
Capitalism has its share of failures
lately some were saved by mergers or being pushed for a merger.
Bottom line don't get shocked if anything happens not only B6, but others as well as even the untouchables today DL, AA, UA etc....
Me being wrong or right is just a false hope, but reality in near future B6 will cease to exist like the others in past.
Capitalism has its share of failures
#30
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,930
People in the past couldn't imagine Pan Am or Twa will ever go bust , it was unthinkable, but events and events after events that were taken for granted and i am not talking about PA103, facilitate the shutdown and still blames going back and forth between various parties as who was responsible.
lately some were saved by mergers or being pushed for a merger.
Bottom line don't get shocked if anything happens not only B6, but others as well as even the untouchables today DL, AA, UA etc....
Me being wrong or right is just a false hope, but reality in near future B6 will cease to exist like the others in past.
Capitalism has its share of failures
lately some were saved by mergers or being pushed for a merger.
Bottom line don't get shocked if anything happens not only B6, but others as well as even the untouchables today DL, AA, UA etc....
Me being wrong or right is just a false hope, but reality in near future B6 will cease to exist like the others in past.
Capitalism has its share of failures
Yeah any airline can go away but you can’t look at Pan Am and JetBlue the same way. Even Pan Am knew it had problems. Read skygods it’s a great book.
For some reason there is this idea that JetBlue is failing finically and that simply is not the case. For all the talk of the poor operation or the crap route structure or the junk 190s the company still has some of the highest margins.
I’m not cheerleading here but JetBlue isn’t just got my to go away. Maybe a merger with ALK one day but for all it’s faults the company is financially very strong.
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