BeatNavy

First year pay at Endeavor (and most regionals) is higher than JetBlue’s.

HighFlight

Significantly so, in some cases.

You folks need a contract, NOW!!

Southerner

If it’s a toss-up for someone, then they haven’t done their research. I don’t care what regional it is, JetBlue is a step up from any of them.

And if someone leaves JB to go to any regional, they seriously lack perspective.

PasserOGas

Southerner, the perspective lacking is yours. First year pay at Republic is $64k. Ours is $53k. Upgrade there is 6 months. In other words pay is a wash.

Let me say that again, pay is a wash with a regional.

Our movement is in the 2%/yr range. The only saving grace is the high turnover at the bottom of the list as people leave for real airlines. If you plan on using an airline as a stepping stone towards a descent career why come here? Other places have guaranteed flow through to high paying jobs, what do we have to offer?

rvr1800

I’d say your both partially right. Here’s how you reach $64k:

First Officer Averages (Year 1): $40,400 (wages/base compensation) + $5,800 (per diem) + (up to) $12,500 (signing bonus) + $6,200 (benefits) = $64,900

So you’re not fully comparing the two if you don’t include 401k match and per diem at jetBlue. Junior Captain at republic is a 2014 hire.

I fully believe there are guys debating between the two. Short term it could make more sense to go to Republic. Especially if you live in base. After two years though the pay scales separate pretty significantly. Even with a quick upgrade at Republic or Endeavor.

Sad that this is even a conversation though. We need a contract immediately.

PasserOGas

We need to be smart. If they hand us anything less than industry standard we need to vote no. If we get a small raise, they could continue recruiting for our anemic growth.

Their inability to recruit and change fleet types is our most powerful leverage.

Southerner

Sure, if you’re focused on year one, I guess. Look at year 10. Unless your paycheck has the same logo as the paint on the side of the plane, you shouldn’t get too comfortable.

Add to that the fact that we are in the end stages of negotiations, and the idea of it being a toss up between a major and a regional is ludicrous.

HighFlight

I believe your math to be a bit off, Sir.

First year (min guarantee):
Republic - $36,729. Bonus is $15,000 or $17,500 with 121 time. So either $51,729 or $54,229.

JB is $41,737 plus training pay of $3,000 or $44,737.

Second year:
Republic - $37,350
JB - $71,400

So while Republic wins the first year by about $10K, it also takes a $16,879 pay cut second year, whereas JB has a pay increase of $26,663.

IFF one happens to upgrade at Republic, he/she will make $64,800 (vs. $71,400 JB)second year. $66,600 3rd year (vs. JB FO at $84,000).

I won’t even get into the astronomical difference in pay when one upgrades at JB. Also, I was using the lower 190 pay rates; obviously, the 320 guys make approximately $8,400 more annually.

(Not counting JB’s MUCH better 401K to keep things at the disposable income level).


Hoepfully that provides some accurate perspective from the outside.

Southerner

Shhhhh, your post doesn’t fit their narrative.

I totally agree that the contract will need to bring us back into line with the other majors. No argument there. But regionals are unstable. A good one today is a bad one tomorrow. There’s more to the choice than a first year dollar sign, particularly since we are down to the last few sections of the CBA. Long game. Not short game.

PasserOGas

If you are here for 10 years in this environment you've failed.