FO hiring mins (specifically PIC)
06-20-2023, 08:16 AM
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FO hiring mins (specifically PIC)
Hey all, just a couple questions about hiring, whenever Horizon's hiring actually picks up again outside their PDP.
I'm a Marine Corps V-22 pilot with a little over 2 years left on active duty. I'm on flying orders through April 2024, but after that it's far from guaranteed that I stay flying. I currently have around 610 hours total time, of which about 66 is actual FAR 1.1 PIC (8 at night and 50 cross country) and about 157 is that plus FAR 61.51 flavors of PIC (27 at night, 101 cross country).
I know the various regional airlines around the United States, and even individual logbook reviewers vary in their interpretation of PIC. I know personally someone who got essentially laughed out of the interview at Republic but was then hired by Skywest right away.
What's the standard at Horizon? If I luck out and get T-6 or T-44 instructor pilot as my next set of orders, all of this is irrelevant since I'll well exceed all the PIC requirements by the strictest (FAR 1.1) definition. But if I don't, I need to start crunching numbers ($$$) on how much I need to fly on the side to meet R-ATP mins by the time I'm transitioning out of the military.
I'm a Marine Corps V-22 pilot with a little over 2 years left on active duty. I'm on flying orders through April 2024, but after that it's far from guaranteed that I stay flying. I currently have around 610 hours total time, of which about 66 is actual FAR 1.1 PIC (8 at night and 50 cross country) and about 157 is that plus FAR 61.51 flavors of PIC (27 at night, 101 cross country).
I know the various regional airlines around the United States, and even individual logbook reviewers vary in their interpretation of PIC. I know personally someone who got essentially laughed out of the interview at Republic but was then hired by Skywest right away.
What's the standard at Horizon? If I luck out and get T-6 or T-44 instructor pilot as my next set of orders, all of this is irrelevant since I'll well exceed all the PIC requirements by the strictest (FAR 1.1) definition. But if I don't, I need to start crunching numbers ($$$) on how much I need to fly on the side to meet R-ATP mins by the time I'm transitioning out of the military.
06-20-2023, 02:34 PM
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For that matter, how competitive even is a 750 hour R-ATP at this point? I’m keenly aware of the risk in declining an Instructor Pilot tour to remain co-located with my spouse and ending up with a wave of TBNT as I’m transitioning out of the military. Since no matter how much flying I do on the side I’m unlikely to hit the sought-after Direct Entry Captain orPrior Qualifying Time prerequisites.
06-21-2023, 08:49 AM
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You need to carefully log Part 61 times in order to show you are qualified for an R-ATP or an ATP.
Beyond simply being able to get an ATP, fly as much PIC as you can in as complex of an airplane as you can.
Horizon, and the industry, has swung wildly over the last few years and there's no way to know what you'll be looking at when it's time for you to get out.
That's a **** answer I know.
Beyond simply being able to get an ATP, fly as much PIC as you can in as complex of an airplane as you can.
Horizon, and the industry, has swung wildly over the last few years and there's no way to know what you'll be looking at when it's time for you to get out.
That's a **** answer I know.
06-30-2023, 08:39 AM
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You need to carefully log Part 61 times in order to show you are qualified for an R-ATP or an ATP.
Beyond simply being able to get an ATP, fly as much PIC as you can in as complex of an airplane as you can.
Horizon, and the industry, has swung wildly over the last few years and there's no way to know what you'll be looking at when it's time for you to get out.
That's a **** answer I know.
Beyond simply being able to get an ATP, fly as much PIC as you can in as complex of an airplane as you can.
Horizon, and the industry, has swung wildly over the last few years and there's no way to know what you'll be looking at when it's time for you to get out.
That's a **** answer I know.
I guess my question about PIC time is the one I need answered most.
07-01-2023, 09:17 PM
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2 years is an eternity in the regional hiring environment these days, what’s happening now is likely very different from what it will be in even 6 months.
But currently with the CA shortage QX has even closed down the PDP to new people, really only those with previous 121 hrs (or applicable) are the ones they are interviewing. Again that can change quickly but as of now if you’re looking to be based in the PNW, definitely get an app into OO as well.
But currently with the CA shortage QX has even closed down the PDP to new people, really only those with previous 121 hrs (or applicable) are the ones they are interviewing. Again that can change quickly but as of now if you’re looking to be based in the PNW, definitely get an app into OO as well.
04-20-2024, 08:37 AM
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Hello guys. So is there a way to edit an application once submitted? I applied for the Experienced First Officer position since I have Part 135 PIC turbojet experience. I selected no on one of the last questions about 121 experience, but I realized that my 135 time counts toward that time...oops. It immediately put me down as no longer under consideration. Thanks!
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