Yogipilot

Speechless....making that comment makes any explanation to you complete waste of time, at best a “D” in history class

Fleet Warp

My turn to be speechless. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe i should have worded it what are your concerns? Is that sensitive enough for you? Maybe your superior history knowledge is enough to turn down something that every other major requires of similar programs?

Yogipilot

#1 it’s not a true flow throw
#2 Someone that’s been here 10 yrs vs. a new hire has a lot more history that AS can use against them, hence what if they called in fatigued 5 times a year and in doing so drove the company to make safer scheduling practices for those that come behind them, yet they have this used against them. This is one of many other examples that I’m not going into further.
#3 It’s not within our contract

I get a newbie seeing this as awesome, but in all honesty there is more inside the covers of this book with the pretty cover.

Hope that helps

Fleet Warp

You sound bitter friend. I was once bitter. 11 years at a dying regional. Never upgraded. I got mad too, made some small mistake I wouldn't want to be open knowledge trying to get a fresh start at another company. I get it. By the time I could possibly realistically get a class date at Alaska the way things seem to be going, I'll be an old man.

Best thing I ever did was get a fresh start, change my perspective. Cleared my head, changed my life. It worked for me. I'm prepared tio retire here.

Call it whatever you like, doesn't matter to me. Once you have your number you're only waiting for a class no different then similar programs at the United and Delta. Neither is their need to have access to your entire employee file any different then similar programs at United and Delta. So i don't understand the reason for waiting , it will all be known anyway, i would want to know sooner then later personally...

Anyway I don't want to argue with you, I was only curious as to the reason handing over records was an issue with snackysmores.

snackysmores

I don't believe the other carriers can turn your entire employment records over to another airline like Alaska can with impunity.

Hypothetically you could get hired at Alaska and then Delta could call you a year later. Alaska then gives Delta your entire record including sick/fatigue/discipline w/e. Delta then says thanks but no thanks, and you're stuck at Alaska.

Fleet Warp

that's illegal.

oldgb

Agreed. I believe there is a law that limits what can be shared, and what MUST be shared. Pretty sure the acronym is PRIA.

Here is the link to the PRIA and FOIA data that can be disclosed: https://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/...OIA_and_PA.pdf

Since Alaska Air Group owns both AS and QX, I am sure that the lawyers have gone over the information that is legal to share between the two carriers.

snackysmores

Not when you sign a release of liability waiver allowing Alaska to do just that.


"I also hereby RELEASE both Horizon and Alaska and all of their respective affiliates, parent
corporations, related entities, officers, directors, agents, employees, insurers, and all persons acting
on their behalf from any and all claims and liabilities of any nature (including costs and attorneys’
fees) arising from the furnishing, disclosure, receipt, and use of such information and release of
employment records.

I acknowledge and understand that the information used, disclosed, and received under this
Authorization may be subject to redisclosure and not be protected by federal or state privacy laws
and I am waiving my rights under such laws related to the information used, disclosed, and/or
received under this Authorization."


If Alaska decided to release your records, even inadvertently or accidentally to another carrier, you cannot sue them. "Oopsies" is covered under this.
Notice how this specific release of liability section does not mention "Only to Alaska" anywhere. "Release of employment records" ...to who? Doesn't specify. AAG legal can easily spin this into a "That's not how we interpret it" if they are challenged in court.

Will Alaska try and screw you over if you get a 737 type and try to bail? I don't know, but with their shady and backstabbing Angle Lake corporate culture I wouldn't put it above them.

Yogipilot

Bitter? Thanks for the diagnosis Dr.? but I’m far from it I’m pretty set just prefer to call BS when I see it I’m outta here the misinformation here gives me some great laughs though flame on.

Aviatrix Gal

Originally Posted by Mea25000
2019: 120
2020: 300
2021: 300