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Old 01-20-2013, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gatorbird
I can't speak for VX's work rules therefore will not attempt to compare the two; however, I would be willing to put our (NKs) work rules up against anyone's.
It's not your workrules, they are fine, it's the management. I remember reading the Spirit MEC email in regards to the end of KCM, and how management want concessions to keep KCM going. That is pathetic and downright wrong. Another NK friend of mine told me that about 20 hrs after the contract was signed and in place, the company willfully violated a part that required a grievance to be filed.

I have heard that VX's line schedules have high day off counts-- maybe due to low block counts across the board? I don't know, can only speculate. I would like to know their work rules in regard to month-to-month transition conflicts, vacation bid conflicts, notification of junior assignments, etc. You know-- the stuff that supplements an hourly rate.
High day off counts because people choose to bid that way. You don't have to. You tell PBS what credit threshold you want. 70-97 hrs. Bid 97, and you will get a high block line with lower days off than a guy who bids 75 hrs. Personally, I like to bid 70-75 hrs so I can get 18 days off, and then choose on my own terms which trips to pick up on days that I want. I can usually pick up and do a 92-95 hr line with 16 days off, that's my goal. As for month-to-month transition conficts, as a lineholder, PBS sees your trips and it becomes pre-assigned activities for next month's bidding. There is no conflict. Reserves get screwed though, especially if you have a 5 day stretch at the end of the month, and get a 5 day stretch at the beginning of nex month. You're on for 10 days, and probably get 24 hrs off in between for legality. That's BS and it needs to change. Vacation bid conflicts? How so? We bid vacation and in PBS it becomes pre-assigned activity. PBS sees it, and will not assign trips on vacation time. I will admit there isn't a whole lot of room for soft time at VX, and that too needs to be changed.
Originally Posted by SUX4U
So, how popular will this job opening be for current RJ captains compared to RJ FO's? Would be interesting to see what type of back grounds people are applying with to make the jump to Virgin with all the potential hardships on the horizon...
Tons of RJ captains have applied and continue to apply. Most of the RJ FOs at VX are a new thing, after the minimums changed from 5000TT/1000TPIC to 4000TT. Starting end of 2011, RJ FOs started to come over. But the majority of applicants to VX are still pilots with lots of turbine PIC time. And on a side note, do you really think RJ pilots are secure in their jobs over the next few years? The 50 seater market is dying, and Delta is parking hundreds of them as a requirement of their new pilot contract. United's new deal (apparently) requires 200 of the 50 seaters to be parked. With the new ATP rule, constant race to the bottom, I don't think a regional airline is a place to hang your hat. Worse case, VX gives you a PIC A320 type rating, and Airbus time.

Originally Posted by Moby Dick
Looks a lot like the old Eastern Airlines formula for success. Look where that got them.

VX was founded to provide U.S. domestic feed for VA. Now that VA is partnered with DAL, what is the rationale for VX's existence? There is none.

Branson will be pulling his money out soon. Even he can't afford to pour money down a rat hole forever.
I like the ever changing reasons why VX exists. First, it was "to drive UAL and DAL out of the Pacific. Now, it's "to provide US domestic feed for VA." Tomorrow, it will be something else. Your posts on the topic of VX are all troll, eg, non-union.

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Old 01-20-2013, 11:00 PM
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Not if VX codeshares with the other Virgin carriers and Skyteam members.
Maybe with Skyteam members other than Delta, but the chances of getting a domestic code share with VA into the DALPA contract are pretty slim, well unless there is another 12% raise offered......
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Please don't feed the trolls. Emotional posts are just that. Pay and QOL info is public. Moby, stop flaming under a proud Colorado flag, please.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Where do you come up with this? That is utterly a false statement. VX is owned by several entities. Branson owns the maximum allowed under US law, which is 49%. The rest of the 51% (majority) is US-owned with investment group Cyrus capital. Before Spirit IPOed, wasn't it owned by two different investment groups? Black canyon something? This is the same thing, except Branson owns 49% and Cyrus capital (USA company) owns the majority. Next, the controlling share issue. Branson owns the maximum allowed for a foreigner controlling share: 25%. 75% of the controlling share is owned by American citizens. There is NO illegal ownership from foreigners at VX! VX had to prove its case and show lots of internal information, and even fire Fred Reid, to be approved by the DOT.

Your statement is silly. Just as claiming that a Virgin Atlantic pilot is now pi$$ed that Virgin Atlantic is now an illegally foreign owned carrier, due to the 49% buyout by Delta. Delta has not done anything illegal, it bought a 49% of Virgin Atlantic. Branson has 49% of Virgin America.

And for the last part, I think the decision being made now with the new VP are more financially responsible than before. Losing the money VX has with 52 airplanes over 6 years (2007-2012), how can you go down the same road with another 60 over the next 7 years? You just can't, so they are making changes. The growth slowdown will help the bottom line. Route changes are slowly coming, and you should see that in the next year.
Shy....

C'mon....mannn.

I get that you are propping up your new carrier. But you gotta call a spade a spade. You can quote me ownership percentages until the cows come home, if you don't think that Sir Dick has been doing a healthy amount of "propping up" his USA experiment by whatever means necessary, then I got a lot of oceanfront property to sell ya.

Now he has sold 49% of his flagship airline to an airline that competes directly with the aforementioned US experiment.

I can't think of a better example of "writing on the wall" in modern airline history.

You HAVE to see that,......no?

tell me where I'm wrong.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay5150
Shy....

C'mon....mannn.

I get that you are propping up your new carrier. But you gotta call a spade a spade. You can quote me ownership percentages until the cows come home, if you don't think that Sir Dick has been doing a healthy amount of "propping up" his USA experiment by whatever means necessary, then I got a lot of oceanfront property to sell ya.

Now he has sold 49% of his flagship airline to an airline that competes directly with the aforementioned US experiment.

I can't think of a better example of "writing on the wall" in modern airline history.

You HAVE to see that,......no?

tell me where I'm wrong.
What do you mean by "propping up" his USA experiment? He owns a certain percent, and US investors own the majority share. He sold 49% of his VA share to Delta, because Singapore wanted to ditch it, and Delta needed it for the LHR market before AA (already strong with AA/BA) merges with US Airways.

With your "writing on the wall" comment, are you implying that Branson and investors spend $800 million on VX since its inception, just to get Delta to buy a 49% share of VA for $348/million, and now to kill VX as a result? How does that make any financial sense?
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Originally Posted by Jay5150
Shy....

C'mon....mannn.

I get that you are propping up your new carrier. But you gotta call a spade a spade. You can quote me ownership percentages until the cows come home, if you don't think that Sir Dick has been doing a healthy amount of "propping up" his USA experiment by whatever means necessary, then I got a lot of oceanfront property to sell ya.

Now he has sold 49% of his flagship airline to an airline that competes directly with the aforementioned US experiment.

I can't think of a better example of "writing on the wall" in modern airline history.

You HAVE to see that,......no?

tell me where I'm wrong.
You're pretty sharp there, calling him "Sir Dick", because now us dumb folk think he's a Dick, because it's a pun to his name of Richard. You're a quick one there!


Also, what 49% of his stake did he sell to who? Last I checked Singapore sold their 49% stake of Virgin Atlantic to Delta. That was not Richard Branson's share, and he publicly said he'd never sell his share.

But please, continue calling him "Dick", because it just shows how ignorant you aren't
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:42 AM
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I didn't realize that APC had so many board members from the Virgin Group on here that know exactly what Branson and the Virgin Group and the rest of the investors are going to do. That's fantastic.
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Originally Posted by Moby Dick
Looks a lot like the old Eastern Airlines formula for success. Look where that got them.

VX was founded to provide U.S. domestic feed for VA. Now that VA is partnered with DAL, what is the rationale for VX's existence? There is none.

Branson will be pulling his money out soon. Even he can't afford to pour money down a rat hole forever.
Eastern's formula? Apparently, you need to read about Eastern and its demise before you start throwing out innuendos.

I'm glad you know why VX was created. You do realize that Branson wants a 1 world 1 airline where you stay on 1 brand no matter where you go. But I see you're Branson's right hand so you know what his and the other investors future plans are.

I also guess you know VX's financials too. You should be on Wall Street with all your knowledge and insights.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
What do you mean by "propping up" his USA experiment? He owns a certain percent, and US investors own the majority share. He sold 49% of his VA share to Delta, because Singapore wanted to ditch it, and Delta needed it for the LHR market before AA (already strong with AA/BA) merges with US Airways.

With your "writing on the wall" comment, are you implying that Branson and investors spend $800 million on VX since its inception, just to get Delta to buy a 49% share of VA for $348/million, and now to kill VX as a result? How does that make any financial sense?
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You're pretty sharp there, calling him "Sir Dick", because now us dumb folk think he's a Dick, because it's a pun to his name of Richard. You're a quick one there!


Also, what 49% of his stake did he sell to who? Last I checked Singapore sold their 49% stake of Virgin Atlantic to Delta. That was not Richard Branson's share, and he publicly said he'd never sell his share.

But please, continue calling him "Dick", because it just shows how ignorant you aren't
I know the 49% was Singapore's. I feel sure that Branson could've influenced who it was sold to, if not bought it himself.

No, I don't think that he and others spent all that money just to kill it. It's just the way it has worked out and doesn't make sense anymore.

But you guys are probably right, good luck.
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Virgin America is a brand new airline dedicated to"making flying good" again.


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Sounds like quite a few leaving to generate the need for replacement hiring.

Who writes this sh1t?

Maybe this guy?



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