Virgin America hiring pilots again, 2013
#211
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 492
Not to nitpick BUT...
VA: Virgin Australia. VS: Virgin Atlantic VX: Virgin America
I'm excited to see 4th quarter results from VX...all these airlines are making record profits. Will be a shame to see VX once again post a huge loss...Any inside information here from the VX pilots? Have you guys gotten word if 4th quarter was as great to you guys as AS, WN and US?
VA: Virgin Australia. VS: Virgin Atlantic VX: Virgin America
I'm excited to see 4th quarter results from VX...all these airlines are making record profits. Will be a shame to see VX once again post a huge loss...Any inside information here from the VX pilots? Have you guys gotten word if 4th quarter was as great to you guys as AS, WN and US?
#213
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: Director of Operations
Posts: 39
I should ask
Training is pretty easy...mostly self paced computer modules. FTD training is very good and the sim training is done in a very relaxed way. All very easy if you study and show up prepared! Training is about the usual 6 weeks from indoc through IOE.
JFK is very small.....bottom f/o is Oct. '11 hire...no plans to grow there. New hires will get 1. LAX (cheapest crash pad I found is $300) 2. SFO ($200).
2 hour reserve call out. Did a lot of sitting last 3 months of '12....have a bid line in LAX now as a 4/12 hire....PBS is great.
JFK is very small.....bottom f/o is Oct. '11 hire...no plans to grow there. New hires will get 1. LAX (cheapest crash pad I found is $300) 2. SFO ($200).
2 hour reserve call out. Did a lot of sitting last 3 months of '12....have a bid line in LAX now as a 4/12 hire....PBS is great.
#214
Yes, most line holders have an easy commute. At this point SFO is a bit better for commuters than LAX. That is changing though with the growth of LAX base.
#216
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,938
Right now LAX is about 67 crews and SFO around 190-195ish. It used to be LAX was only 30ish and SFO was 220ish. But the growth in LA is coming from SFO pilots. Thankfully we are hiring now, because LAX is getting junior and SFO more senior, especially for reserves. They want LAX to be 90 crews, so anyone who wants LAX will have no problem.
#217
For many, being happy at work, is invaluable compensation.
The ulcer, heart condition, or divorce, that one may avoid working at a great environment, maybe worth years of added lifetime, and thousands in savings in the long run.
God bless the USA, where there are options for every taste!
To current VX pilots or recent applicants:
Any suggestions on preparing for the infamous previsor test?
Is is anything like the AirPacific test?
I understand it is not a test you can study for.
Having some prior exposure to the format, will, if anything, calm the nerves.
Thank you for the informative posts.
(PMs welcome)
The ulcer, heart condition, or divorce, that one may avoid working at a great environment, maybe worth years of added lifetime, and thousands in savings in the long run.
God bless the USA, where there are options for every taste!
But despite its near-ubiquity overseas, many U.S. consumers only began experiencing the Virgin way within the past few years, with the 2007 launch of Virgin America. Named "Best Domestic Airline" four years running by both Conde Nast Traveler and Travel + Leisure, the carrier has earned a loyal following by putting small spins on air travel -- purple ambient light and black leather seats in its cabins, Wi-Fi and power outlets, touchscreen entertainment systems that also allow passengers to order refreshments without waiting for the dreaded drink cart and a staff that seems to share a bit of its boss's irreverent streak. (Editor's note: I once boarded a Virgin America flight to Los Angeles carrying a skateboard, to which a flight attendant said, "That's going to make the beverage service a lot of fun.")
Like a growing number of consumer brands, Virgin America has found a way to turn customers into fans -- with nearly 322,000 Twitter followers and counting, its tally eclipses that of Delta, the world's largest carrier. But the subtle differences in the Virgin travel experience are actually part of a very concerted effort by a scrappy airline that, while growing, is still nimble enough to out step its legacy competition.
Like a growing number of consumer brands, Virgin America has found a way to turn customers into fans -- with nearly 322,000 Twitter followers and counting, its tally eclipses that of Delta, the world's largest carrier. But the subtle differences in the Virgin travel experience are actually part of a very concerted effort by a scrappy airline that, while growing, is still nimble enough to out step its legacy competition.
Any suggestions on preparing for the infamous previsor test?
Is is anything like the AirPacific test?
I understand it is not a test you can study for.
Having some prior exposure to the format, will, if anything, calm the nerves.
Thank you for the informative posts.
(PMs welcome)
#218
For many, being happy at work, is invaluable compensation.
The ulcer, heart condition, or divorce, that one may avoid working at a great environment, maybe worth years of added lifetime, and thousands in savings in the long run.
God bless the USA, where there are options for every taste!
To current VX pilots or recent applicants:
Any suggestions on preparing for the infamous previsor test?
Is is anything like the AirPacific test?
I understand it is not a test you can study for.
Having some prior exposure to the format, will, if anything, calm the nerves.
Thank you for the informative posts.
(PMs welcome)
The ulcer, heart condition, or divorce, that one may avoid working at a great environment, maybe worth years of added lifetime, and thousands in savings in the long run.
God bless the USA, where there are options for every taste!
To current VX pilots or recent applicants:
Any suggestions on preparing for the infamous previsor test?
Is is anything like the AirPacific test?
I understand it is not a test you can study for.
Having some prior exposure to the format, will, if anything, calm the nerves.
Thank you for the informative posts.
(PMs welcome)
#219
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: md11
Posts: 87
To current VX pilots or recent applicants:
Any suggestions on preparing for the infamous previsor test?
Unless it's changed in the last year, for the first part that is timed, the questions are similar to LSAT type questions, aka analytical reasoning type questions. There is a way you can write a setup based on the data in the questions which helps in finding the answer. Before I took the test I studied on the internet LSAT questions and how to answer. It seemed to help a lot. Below is a cut and paste from a post on another board that was made a year ago. This post helped lead me in the direction on how to study. Good luck. -okbk
I interviewed with Virgin and then typed this up however I have never posted it until now. The interview did not go well. I went to prep with the FedEx guy in Florida and he did return my money upon the rejection. I don’t have an interest in working at Virgin any longer so if they figure out that I posted this it is no big deal. I highly recommend the prep with the guy in Florida because of the money back guarantee. It wasn’t his fault that I tanked in the interview. Seemed like a great company with great opportunity.
OK Guys this is not an IQ test. It is a Logic and Analytical test. These questions are from the LSAT (Law School Admissions Test). If you want to do some hard core preparation you could attend a law school test preparation course. You could just buy a book on the lighter side and focus on these sections. There are only a few (like seven or so) formats that you will see these questions in. The strategy for success is not to be able to memorize and analyze lots of stuff at once. You only need to know the strategy for setting up a table to determine the answer for that format of question. I will elaborate later in this post. And if you haven’t realized already anything in red is my own work and I have posted stuff I found on the internet trying to find questions for you.
Analytical Reasoning Questions
These questions measure the ability to understand a structure of relationships and to draw logical conclusions about that structure. You are asked to reason deductively from a set of statements and rules or principles that describe relationships among persons, things, or events. Analytical Reasoning questions reflect the kinds of complex analyses that a law student performs in the course of legal problem solving.
Logical Reasoning Questions
These questions assess the ability to analyze, critically evaluate, and complete arguments as they occur in ordinary language. Each Logical Reasoning question requires the test taker to read and comprehend a short passage, then answer a question about it. The questions are designed to assess a wide range of skills involved in thinking critically, with an emphasis on skills that are central to legal reasoning. These skills include drawing well-supported conclusions, reasoning by analogy, determining how additional evidence affects an argument, applying principles or rules, and identifying argument flaws.
Here is the type of stuff that you will face in the test.
http://www.admissionsconsultants.com/lsat/analytical_reasoning.asp
A school teacher must schedule seven sessions, which are abbreviated M, N, O, P, S, T, and U, during a day. Seven different consecutive time periods are available for the sessions, and are numbered one through seven in the order that they occur. Only one session can be schedules for each period. The assignment of the sessions to the periods is subject to the following restrictions:
M and O must occupy consecutive periods.
M must be scheduled for an earlier period than U.
O must be scheduled for a later period than S.
If S does not occupy the fourth period, then P must occupy the fourth period.
U and T cannot occupy consecutively numbered periods.
1.Which of the following could be a possible list of the sessions in the order that they are scheduled during the day?
(A) MOPSTNU
(B) NTMSOUP
(C) SMOPTNU
(D) SOMPUTN
(E) STOMPUN
2. If session M is assigned to the third period, then which of the following must be true?
(A) N is assigned to the sixth period.
(B) O is assigned to the first period.
(C) S is assigned to the fourth period.
(D) T is assigned to the fifth period.
(E) U is assigned to the seventh period.
3. Which of the following could be true?
(A) M is assigned to the first period.
(B) O is assigned to the fifth period.
(C) S is assigned to the seventh period.
(D) T is assigned to the sixth period.
(E) U is assigned to the third period.
4. If N is assigned to the third period, then each of the following could be true EXCEPT:
(A) M is assigned to the fifth period.
(B) O is assigned to the sixth period.
(C) P is assigned to the fourth period.
(D) T is assigned to the first period.
(E) U is assigned to the sixth period.
5. If T is assigned to the seventh period, then which of the following must be assigned to the fifth period?
(A) M
(B) N
(C) O
(D) P
(E) U
You will need scratch paper. In simple terms I received a question that gave me a list of five or so names and each one went to work at a certain time. Between 7 am and 2 PM. It said that Mr. X went to work at 9. Mrs. Y went to work 2 hours after Mr. X. Ms. Z went to work 3 hours before Mrs. Y.
Construct this diagram. Start filling what you know and the answers should jump off of the page.
7
8
9
10
11
12
1
2
What do you already know? The answers began with something like “What is known with certainty about the workers.”
Mr. X went to work after Mrs. Y.
Mr. X went to work before Mrs. Y
Ms. Z may have gone to work before Mr. X but definitely after Mrs. Y
Knowing how to set up your scratch paper for that question is 99% of the battle. If you have to think of how to set it up you will not stand a chance. You only have 3 minutes per question. Just simply recognizing the format of the question and how to solve it will make you coast through this. Like I said before this is not an IQ test. You need to understand the format that the LSAT type questions are in and be able to solve them. Anyone can ace this with what I have already posted. If anyone here can find a huge database of questions I would be happy to look through and copy questions that have the same format as the ones I saw on the test.
I am certain that this is not the original work of the pilot group. These questions are likely from a huge bank of questions that the company testing you has in their inventory. You will probably not find the exact questions. If the company that administers the test also publishes an LSAT question bank or study guide I bet you would find the same questions in it but that is a long shot. The formats and understanding them is the key. If you already recognize that format from your preparation you will solve the question nearly instantly.
Moving on to the Psyche.
You need to understand how these things are scored to understand how to answer a question. On the evaluation there will be a list of qualities that good pilots have been known to possess. Like the following.
Follows rules aaaaaaaaa29
Plays well with others 30
Is not suicidal aaaaaaa30
Energetic aaaaaaaaaaaaaa27
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa28
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa29
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa29
Your answers will give you a score. The most desirable score will be from the best answer like this.
I often feel tired at work. I Strongly Disagree will give you 5 points toward energetic. I Strongly Agree will give you 1 point.
You will answer the same question over and over again to accumulate points in a given personality trait that Virgin is screening your personality for. The above fields turn into a chart. A good candidate for a pilot position is a straight line on the left like the one that I made. A bad profile for a PILOT would be over to the right. A zigzagged one is an unstable person.
This is the profile of a serial killer.
Follows rules aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa2
Plays will with others a30
Is not suicidal aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa 4
Energeticaaaaaaaaaaaaa 27
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa3
Yadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 29
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa1
I am serious about that!
If you are not sure ask yourself “ What would a good pilot say to this question?” You don’t have to answer the questions that are evaluating the same personality trait exactly the same way every time.
Well I am out. Good luck!
http://www.lsac.org/jd/pdfs/LSATPreparationweb.pdf
Virtually every format on page 16 until the section on the writing sample section on Page 32
http://www.lsac.org/jd/LSAT/lsat-prep-materials.asp
http://www.manhattanlsat.com/logic-games.cfm
Any suggestions on preparing for the infamous previsor test?
Unless it's changed in the last year, for the first part that is timed, the questions are similar to LSAT type questions, aka analytical reasoning type questions. There is a way you can write a setup based on the data in the questions which helps in finding the answer. Before I took the test I studied on the internet LSAT questions and how to answer. It seemed to help a lot. Below is a cut and paste from a post on another board that was made a year ago. This post helped lead me in the direction on how to study. Good luck. -okbk
I interviewed with Virgin and then typed this up however I have never posted it until now. The interview did not go well. I went to prep with the FedEx guy in Florida and he did return my money upon the rejection. I don’t have an interest in working at Virgin any longer so if they figure out that I posted this it is no big deal. I highly recommend the prep with the guy in Florida because of the money back guarantee. It wasn’t his fault that I tanked in the interview. Seemed like a great company with great opportunity.
OK Guys this is not an IQ test. It is a Logic and Analytical test. These questions are from the LSAT (Law School Admissions Test). If you want to do some hard core preparation you could attend a law school test preparation course. You could just buy a book on the lighter side and focus on these sections. There are only a few (like seven or so) formats that you will see these questions in. The strategy for success is not to be able to memorize and analyze lots of stuff at once. You only need to know the strategy for setting up a table to determine the answer for that format of question. I will elaborate later in this post. And if you haven’t realized already anything in red is my own work and I have posted stuff I found on the internet trying to find questions for you.
Analytical Reasoning Questions
These questions measure the ability to understand a structure of relationships and to draw logical conclusions about that structure. You are asked to reason deductively from a set of statements and rules or principles that describe relationships among persons, things, or events. Analytical Reasoning questions reflect the kinds of complex analyses that a law student performs in the course of legal problem solving.
Logical Reasoning Questions
These questions assess the ability to analyze, critically evaluate, and complete arguments as they occur in ordinary language. Each Logical Reasoning question requires the test taker to read and comprehend a short passage, then answer a question about it. The questions are designed to assess a wide range of skills involved in thinking critically, with an emphasis on skills that are central to legal reasoning. These skills include drawing well-supported conclusions, reasoning by analogy, determining how additional evidence affects an argument, applying principles or rules, and identifying argument flaws.
Here is the type of stuff that you will face in the test.
http://www.admissionsconsultants.com/lsat/analytical_reasoning.asp
A school teacher must schedule seven sessions, which are abbreviated M, N, O, P, S, T, and U, during a day. Seven different consecutive time periods are available for the sessions, and are numbered one through seven in the order that they occur. Only one session can be schedules for each period. The assignment of the sessions to the periods is subject to the following restrictions:
M and O must occupy consecutive periods.
M must be scheduled for an earlier period than U.
O must be scheduled for a later period than S.
If S does not occupy the fourth period, then P must occupy the fourth period.
U and T cannot occupy consecutively numbered periods.
1.Which of the following could be a possible list of the sessions in the order that they are scheduled during the day?
(A) MOPSTNU
(B) NTMSOUP
(C) SMOPTNU
(D) SOMPUTN
(E) STOMPUN
2. If session M is assigned to the third period, then which of the following must be true?
(A) N is assigned to the sixth period.
(B) O is assigned to the first period.
(C) S is assigned to the fourth period.
(D) T is assigned to the fifth period.
(E) U is assigned to the seventh period.
3. Which of the following could be true?
(A) M is assigned to the first period.
(B) O is assigned to the fifth period.
(C) S is assigned to the seventh period.
(D) T is assigned to the sixth period.
(E) U is assigned to the third period.
4. If N is assigned to the third period, then each of the following could be true EXCEPT:
(A) M is assigned to the fifth period.
(B) O is assigned to the sixth period.
(C) P is assigned to the fourth period.
(D) T is assigned to the first period.
(E) U is assigned to the sixth period.
5. If T is assigned to the seventh period, then which of the following must be assigned to the fifth period?
(A) M
(B) N
(C) O
(D) P
(E) U
You will need scratch paper. In simple terms I received a question that gave me a list of five or so names and each one went to work at a certain time. Between 7 am and 2 PM. It said that Mr. X went to work at 9. Mrs. Y went to work 2 hours after Mr. X. Ms. Z went to work 3 hours before Mrs. Y.
Construct this diagram. Start filling what you know and the answers should jump off of the page.
7
8
9
10
11
12
1
2
What do you already know? The answers began with something like “What is known with certainty about the workers.”
Mr. X went to work after Mrs. Y.
Mr. X went to work before Mrs. Y
Ms. Z may have gone to work before Mr. X but definitely after Mrs. Y
Knowing how to set up your scratch paper for that question is 99% of the battle. If you have to think of how to set it up you will not stand a chance. You only have 3 minutes per question. Just simply recognizing the format of the question and how to solve it will make you coast through this. Like I said before this is not an IQ test. You need to understand the format that the LSAT type questions are in and be able to solve them. Anyone can ace this with what I have already posted. If anyone here can find a huge database of questions I would be happy to look through and copy questions that have the same format as the ones I saw on the test.
I am certain that this is not the original work of the pilot group. These questions are likely from a huge bank of questions that the company testing you has in their inventory. You will probably not find the exact questions. If the company that administers the test also publishes an LSAT question bank or study guide I bet you would find the same questions in it but that is a long shot. The formats and understanding them is the key. If you already recognize that format from your preparation you will solve the question nearly instantly.
Moving on to the Psyche.
You need to understand how these things are scored to understand how to answer a question. On the evaluation there will be a list of qualities that good pilots have been known to possess. Like the following.
Follows rules aaaaaaaaa29
Plays well with others 30
Is not suicidal aaaaaaa30
Energetic aaaaaaaaaaaaaa27
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa28
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa29
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa29
Your answers will give you a score. The most desirable score will be from the best answer like this.
I often feel tired at work. I Strongly Disagree will give you 5 points toward energetic. I Strongly Agree will give you 1 point.
You will answer the same question over and over again to accumulate points in a given personality trait that Virgin is screening your personality for. The above fields turn into a chart. A good candidate for a pilot position is a straight line on the left like the one that I made. A bad profile for a PILOT would be over to the right. A zigzagged one is an unstable person.
This is the profile of a serial killer.
Follows rules aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa2
Plays will with others a30
Is not suicidal aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa 4
Energeticaaaaaaaaaaaaa 27
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa3
Yadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 29
Yada aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa1
I am serious about that!
If you are not sure ask yourself “ What would a good pilot say to this question?” You don’t have to answer the questions that are evaluating the same personality trait exactly the same way every time.
Well I am out. Good luck!
http://www.lsac.org/jd/pdfs/LSATPreparationweb.pdf
Virtually every format on page 16 until the section on the writing sample section on Page 32
http://www.lsac.org/jd/LSAT/lsat-prep-materials.asp
http://www.manhattanlsat.com/logic-games.cfm
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