American Eagle to hire
02-07-2010, 11:20 AM
#721
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Yeah, and so is assuming Chick-Fil-A is the only place hiring....
Open the newspaper, there are tons of jobs hiring, and most do not require ANY kind of advanced education or training... if you look, even security guards are making 10-15 an hour, with unlimited overtime, and health insurance... so, for a college educated person with highly specialized training to be considering what these RJ jobs have sunk the industry down to, is azzinine... you'd make more as a security guard and wouldn't have the education and training debt.
Open the newspaper, there are tons of jobs hiring, and most do not require ANY kind of advanced education or training... if you look, even security guards are making 10-15 an hour, with unlimited overtime, and health insurance... so, for a college educated person with highly specialized training to be considering what these RJ jobs have sunk the industry down to, is azzinine... you'd make more as a security guard and wouldn't have the education and training debt.
Of course, if they one day wish to fly for a major carrier will that security guard, chicken cook or any number of other non-flying jobs do anything for these prospective major airline pilots ?
I say no.
So that means, either you're attempting to convince pilot NOT to fly for the airlines at ALL, as these full time job examples you cite will surely insure or just not for regional airlines in the hope you'll single-handedly sink them.
If it's the latter, is this also a method to remove your competition in the future ?
RJ's are here to stay and will not only stay but despite your best efforts will likely proliferate. I know this is painful, but it's reality.
02-07-2010, 11:32 AM
#722
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It appears your goal is to attempt to convince all prospective pilots to not fly for regional carriers and work in other professions outside the airline industry. Perhaps you believe that this will result in the disappearance of RJ's and/or regionals.
Of course, if they one day wish to fly for a major carrier will that security guard, chicken cook or any number of other non-flying jobs do anything for these prospective major airline pilots ?
I say no.
So that means, either you're attempting to convince pilot NOT to fly for the airlines at ALL, as these full time job examples you cite will surely insure or just not for regional airlines in the hope you'll single-handedly sink them.
If it's the latter, is this also a method to remove your competition in the future ?
RJ's are here to stay and will not only stay but despite your best efforts will likely proliferate. I know this is painful, but it's reality.
Of course, if they one day wish to fly for a major carrier will that security guard, chicken cook or any number of other non-flying jobs do anything for these prospective major airline pilots ?
I say no.
So that means, either you're attempting to convince pilot NOT to fly for the airlines at ALL, as these full time job examples you cite will surely insure or just not for regional airlines in the hope you'll single-handedly sink them.
If it's the latter, is this also a method to remove your competition in the future ?
RJ's are here to stay and will not only stay but despite your best efforts will likely proliferate. I know this is painful, but it's reality.
Their complaint was the money....
Oh, regarding the proliferation part... perhaps you should read what Boyd's been saying for several years now about your almighty RJ... I'll wait for you to read the article, and will await your retraction. Last I checked you guys have already been parkign more aircraft over the last few years, that even the few new RJ's are still a net loss; correct?
02-07-2010, 11:47 AM
#723
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Yes.........it reminds me of Vinny and his gal stuck in Alabama mud spinning their back wheel.
It's actually bending the facts to fit ones beliefs.
You could do nothing by day trips and be home every night like the cackle cooker at Chick-Fil-A and you'd be paid a per diem at the airline, but not at the chicken house.
The bottom line a new hire in the jet can expect a 75 hour guarantee on RSV @ 23K. If they get an average 300 hours/month perdiem that's about 6K for 29K to start (won't see this at fast food) and any OT they choose to get would add more $$$.
Roughly 30K/year, health and travel bennies is hardly a sweatshop. It's not the upper bracket, but this is starting probationary pay. Sully made $200/week when he started with PSA as a 727 F/E (at a major airline to boot) and although that was in 1980 dollars he wasn't whining about it, with rediculous claims and references to fast food.
Times haven't changed that much, but the quality of the people in it sure have............and not for the better.
It's actually bending the facts to fit ones beliefs.
You could do nothing by day trips and be home every night like the cackle cooker at Chick-Fil-A and you'd be paid a per diem at the airline, but not at the chicken house.
The bottom line a new hire in the jet can expect a 75 hour guarantee on RSV @ 23K. If they get an average 300 hours/month perdiem that's about 6K for 29K to start (won't see this at fast food) and any OT they choose to get would add more $$$.
Roughly 30K/year, health and travel bennies is hardly a sweatshop. It's not the upper bracket, but this is starting probationary pay. Sully made $200/week when he started with PSA as a 727 F/E (at a major airline to boot) and although that was in 1980 dollars he wasn't whining about it, with rediculous claims and references to fast food.
Times haven't changed that much, but the quality of the people in it sure have............and not for the better.
How do you know Sully was not complaining about making $200 in 1980? He was complaining in 2009 about having to have two jobs. Most first year regional pilots can count on no more than $19,000 for the first year. I made under that for a full year of work. Adjusted for inflation $200 in 1980 is about $34,000 today. Are you making an argument that pilots are properly paid? Are you arguing that pilots don't make what they use to? I am confused because you say one thing but include numbers that are in direct contradiction to what you are saying.
Last edited by jayray2; 02-07-2010 at 02:49 PM.
02-07-2010, 12:48 PM
#724
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He's just trying to justify the low pay for us so there's no revolt against senior pilots like him that makes $130K/yr. The pay disparity is just criminal. FOs have been subsidizing his income for years and he doesn't want it to stop so he's trying to convince everyone how it's not so bad.
02-07-2010, 05:06 PM
#726
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He's just trying to justify the low pay for us so there's no revolt against senior pilots like him that makes $130K/yr. The pay disparity is just criminal. FOs have been subsidizing his income for years and he doesn't want it to stop so he's trying to convince everyone how it's not so bad.
02-07-2010, 05:52 PM
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02-07-2010, 05:53 PM
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02-07-2010, 06:20 PM
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02-07-2010, 06:58 PM
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You're changing the direction of the subject conversation.
Their complaint was the money....
Oh, regarding the proliferation part... perhaps you should read what Boyd's been saying for several years now about your almighty RJ... I'll wait for you to read the article, and will await your retraction. Last I checked you guys have already been parkign more aircraft over the last few years, that even the few new RJ's are still a net loss; correct?
Their complaint was the money....
Oh, regarding the proliferation part... perhaps you should read what Boyd's been saying for several years now about your almighty RJ... I'll wait for you to read the article, and will await your retraction. Last I checked you guys have already been parkign more aircraft over the last few years, that even the few new RJ's are still a net loss; correct?
The Boyd group is world renowned for their anti-RJ stance and their bias makes them a virtually worthless source.
Last edited by eaglefly; 02-07-2010 at 07:43 PM.
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