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Old 03-06-2010, 10:09 AM
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When I interviewed, they made it sound like they wanted no failures in your record. Someone that interviewed with me had a prior 121 failure and was told during the interview that more then likely they would not hire him because of said failure. He was even told that he shouldn't of even made it to the interview in the first place. Kind of weird but thats what happened and atleast they were honest with him.

To add to previous post: I did not have any failures from previous licenses nor 121 initial training/recurrent.

One friend who interviewed did have a 121 recheck that was on his record and was honest and upfront about it on airlineapps. Was invited to interview but did not receive an offer. They are def not letting it slide by. He was thankful to make it that far and has another cargo job standing by. Again, just trying to pass along all the helpful info I have for those of you in the dark about a possible offer or interview. Best of luck to you all!
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A question was raised earlier in this thread wondering if Airlineapps.com was working correctly. I'm not so sure.

I applied with another company through a different jobs board. Within an hour I received an email from the company saying they reviewed my resume and would I consider applying through airlineapp.com which I have for over a year and having their company as one of my targets. With that being said it makes me wonder if I'm even showing up at AE through airlineapps? Anyone have a similar experience?
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
When I interviewed, they made it sound like they wanted no failures in your record. Someone that interviewed with me had a prior 121 failure and was told during the interview that more then likely they would not hire him because of said failure. He was even told that he shouldn't of even made it to the interview in the first place. Kind of weird but thats what happened and atleast they were honest with him.
I should get an e-mail. I have a failure on initial CFI oral. They didn't ask anyone in my group to resign seniority. We were all 121. At least the 3 that stayed.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:29 AM
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With all the talk about busted check rides for 121 carriers, I was curious, part of the paperwork asked about any unsatisfactory training experiences or checks. I went to a part 141 school and had a few "stage checks" or "phase checks", but none resulted in any FAA pink slip or notification, I have cleared several years of 121 check rides since, do these need to be reported and do they matter? I have heard several peoples different opinions about if I should disclose them or not. Any Ideas?
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
When I interviewed, they made it sound like they wanted no failures in your record. Someone that interviewed with me had a prior 121 failure and was told during the interview that more then likely they would not hire him because of said failure. He was even told that he shouldn't of even made it to the interview in the first place. Kind of weird but thats what happened and atleast they were honest with him.
Yup, I think that's exactly what it is! But from what I remember, there was no space on AirlineApps to disclose or list failed checkrides, so they are wasting time and money by bringing in those people.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:39 AM
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Is it any bust or 121 busts?
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:45 AM
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Let me be a little more clear, I think they are most worried about you having any failure in the 121 environment because of 3407. They brought up the subject on more that one occasion. If you have a failure from something like a CFI ride, I don't think that is as crutial, unless you have multiple pink slips.

I also do not believe a failed stage check in 141 counts as it is not on your permanent FAA records.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PikeAV8R
With all the talk about busted check rides for 121 carriers, I was curious, part of the paperwork asked about any unsatisfactory training experiences or checks. I went to a part 141 school and had a few "stage checks" or "phase checks", but none resulted in any FAA pink slip or notification, I have cleared several years of 121 check rides since, do these need to be reported and do they matter? I have heard several peoples different opinions about if I should disclose them or not. Any Ideas?

You are not required to report those, as even the FAA can't get that information. It's like your school transcripts.
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Old 03-06-2010, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
Let me be a little more clear, I think they are most worried about you having any failure in the 121 environment because of 3407. They brought up the subject on more that one occasion. If you have a failure from something like a CFI ride, I don't think that is as crutial, unless you have multiple pink slips.

I also do not believe a failed stage check in 141 counts as it is not on your permanent FAA records.
Correct. If you got one or maybe two busts during your initial, you might be ok, but I know someone who had 3 busts during primary training that was send home. I'm guessing if you got 3 or more lines filled on that disclosure sheet, you probably won't make it very far, no matter how you're going to explain it. Ealge and most other regionals are cracking down on this 3407 deal now.

Just because you have a couple of busts doesn't make you a bad pilot, but the regionals are shaking and cracking down right now and want guys with clean records. That's just the way it is.
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
Let me be a little more clear, I think they are most worried about you having any failure in the 121 environment because of 3407. They brought up the subject on more that one occasion. If you have a failure from something like a CFI ride, I don't think that is as crutial, unless you have multiple pink slips.
Good to know. I have a clean record (including 121) besides the fact that I busted my CFI initial. I would never hide that fact and to be honest (which I will be with them), it was just a major brain fart on my part in the oral so the fault was all mine.

I'm hoping you're right about that and after all, it was a looong time ago when I was a relatively new pilot compared to my experience nowadays.
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