QRH Bingo

There is one factor in trying to determine why others may be chosen over you. However, assuming it was only one, the impact should be minor. Any other personal issues or past employment marks, driving record, DUI's, arrests, etc.? (No need to be specific). You've stated you have hired a resumé prep company, so they should be able to identify any of these that pose an issue.

Accepting that it might take longer for a call is also adapting to market conditions.

And how long has it been? Don't expect a call quickly just because you have some turbine time. It still may take longer than you want.

Finally, I know you have said no to Atlas, but what about ATI, ABX, USA Jet? I have no clue how their schedules work or their pay... But as others have said, if you're not willing to wait it out, you gotta broaden your search.

JohnBurke

I quoted you. Go figure.

Go shave, as long as you're doing identical work to NetJets.

121noob

Of course they are.


If you are talking about Allegiant, then no, I can't live on their first year pay. Any regional would be a pay raise from what I'm making now. But even if they weren't, I would be willing to take a pay cut to go to a regional, or an LCC. But again, I can't live on $47,000 in the first year and I doubt anyone here my age can. I'm not a 20 year old with zero obligations.


And what choice is that? I can't be gone for weeks at a time so that rules out cargo. I can't survive on Allegiant's first year pay, otherwise I would like to work there, and the regionals are not hiring pilots with my qualifications at the moment. My day job is pretty good but I want to get out of 135 and into 121.

121noob

No shouldn't be. The app review company did help me tighten up the app.


I will look in to them but again I am not able to be gone from home for weeks at a time. Also flying back side of the clock is unhealthy. I got my fill of that before and would rather not do it again. But if I can find a gig that works I'm not opposed to 121 cargo.

121noob

What does this have to do with today's market conditions?

JohnBurke

Can't be gone. Can't work for airline pay. Can't fly on the back side of the clock. Can't shave. Can't, can't, can't.

What is the one, solitary thing that you are willing to do? All we hear is a litany of reasons you can't, that you'r overqualified for the world around you, that you've sacrificed so bloody much that the industry should come crawling to you, and that you're owed a seat at Delta. Barring the airline fairy visiting you with a large burlap sack full of all you're owed, what is it that you ARE willing to do, that's not beneath you, that you won't have to sacrifce for, that you won't have to overnight for, that you can live as you're accustomed to live, on the "front side" of a clock, and that doesn't require you to shave?

Other than Delta?

Not opposed to 121 cargo, but won't go out for a rotation, as you can't be away that long...so opposed to 121 cargo. It's called "freight dog" for a reason.

Is there anything that you're not opposed to, that you're willing to do, that you're remotely qualified to do (that doesn't require shaving)?

A lot. Now that the magical mystery bubble of post-covid has finally burst, the industry is returning to it's normal status, and the entitlement which some thought was the norm, is gone. Soon enough, you'll be competing with 10,000 hour pilots for a seat at Delta, with your resume at the bottom of a stack of 25,000. Welcome to reality.

Sky Dog

If a company isn’t hiring someone with your qualifications, it doesn’t matter what they pay anyone else. They are willing to pay you nothing. Which is less than $47,000 last I checked.

I gave you exactly what your choices are. I’m sorry they don’t meet with your expectations, but there you are.

Maybe your best option is to look for a career outside of flying because it sounds like you aren’t willing to make any of the sacrifices required to be an airline pilot.

In any case, it’s obvious to everyone here that you aren’t willing to listen to the advice that literally everyone responding to you is telling you so I’m done trying. I have a trip starting in a few hours. Because I chose to make the sacrifices required to get my foot in the door of 121 flying.

I honestly wish you good luck in finding something that makes you happy. I don’t think aviation is your answer.

60av8tor

Multiple people have said the exact same thing to him. No one here can live on 47k - WTF!?! I made $32/hour at my regional not too long ago and it was better than some - certainly better than a decade prior to that. That $32 is now 8 x's that thanks to that experience/"sacrafice". But again, who can do 47k/yr?🙄 This thread is now my entertainment and I enjoy watching this bozo not get hired and argue with anyone and everyone who attempts to say anything other than what he wants to hear.

QRH Bingo

I'd like to clarify this response by you. Was this to me stating how there is a possibility that others might have been chosen over you because you have a checkride failure(s) (Unknown how many) during some primary training? If so, then it absolutely can be a reason if those being hired have zero failures. Thinking otherwise is just naïve.

Or was it just an acknowledgement that there are no personal black marks to speak of.

In as matter-of-fact kind of tone as I can muster over the internet, I am also curious to this question because I have muttered aloud the same while reading through all the dialogue.

At this point, my guess is that answer will be to sacrifice time. To just wait it out. Which, by the way, there is nothing inherently wrong with that so long as you understand the process and do not complain that it's taking longer than desired.

As many others begin to bail on you, I am also nearing the end as I believe I have attempted to provide some positive feedback despite some of the responses. Here will be my final piece should you continue down your path with no job offers:Get your ATP cert. Invest (sacrifice, there's that word again) some money to make yourself qualified for more positions. Being able to check that box on an application will, without a doubt, place you ahead on the stack.

121noob

Can you live on $47,000 a year now, especially if you have a house and other people you support? Answer the question.