Berkut

Do many guys wash out of training?

NavyGIVguy

Berkut, Don't worry about washing out rate. Just get the gouge on the hiring process and do your best to prep yourself. When it comes around to doing it, you'll be ready.Treat it like nieghborhood block party and the president of the nieghborhood assoc. Is getting to know you. Yes there is some pressure to impress but they really just want to get to know who wants to move in next door. doesn't hurt if you happen to like the same baseball team though but your screwed if your team is his teams rival!...just kidding.

pilot221

Not really. Just study and show up and you are good.

cfii2007

Any contact info on Vision Airlines??

kdoner

i guess theres not too much actual IFR time on the scenic airlines..

Zoot Suit

"And now if you look out the left side of the aircraft, or the right side for that matter, you won't see a darn thing"......Thanks for flying Scenic!!!!

cfii2007

No, but flying a turbine must rock.......

pilot221

VFR outweighs IFR for sure. But that's not to say there isn't any. If you are taking people to an airport and are not on an "air tour" only, you go IFR if you have to. They are traveling to an airport to see the canyon from the ground. The flight over is just a bonus really. That's not to say people still won't complain. When they see those big windows they HAVE to look outside, even if there's nothing to see. These are the same people who closed their window on their flight from their home to Vegas.

I had a flight that was in the clouds the entire flight. Does a mom with her kids care that we just flew an hour in icing, turbulent conditions and got them there in one piece? No. She finds it appropriate to ream me about not being able to see anything and that I got her kids sick. Funny how it works.

AnotherPilot

This might seem like a dumb question:

If you're hired as a low-time pilot to sit FO, essentially you will get zero PIC is that right? So if you were there for 2 years and had 2000 hours with them you still couldn't upgrade (basically zero PIC)? So for a low time pilot to go work there the only benefit would be reaching regional minimums and then leaving?

maybeesdid

Sorry for the long post. The regs basically say that you need 1500 hours of total time to earn your ATP and be eligible to upgrade to Captain (PIC). Some airlines determine their own eligibility requirements above what the regs require. (4) States the min of 250 PIC, but can be as SIC acting as PIC as well as the XC and Night time.

61.159 Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) of this section, a person who is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category and class rating must have at least 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot that includes at least:
(1) 500 hours of cross-country flight time.
(2) 100 hours of night flight time.
(3) 75 hours of instrument flight time, in actual or simulated instrument conditions, subject to the following:
(i) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(3)(ii) of this section, an applicant may not receive credit for more than a total of 25 hours of simulated instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device.
(ii) A maximum of 50 hours of training in a flight simulator or flight training device may be credited toward the instrument flight time requirements of paragraph (a)(3) of this section if the training was accomplished in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
(iii) Training in a flight simulator or flight training device must be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device, representing an airplane.
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—
(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and
(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.

So you should be able to easily meet ATP mins while SIC for any airline.