Combining with Alaska Airlines for a Stronger
02-09-2024, 04:41 AM
#553
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If you had previously spent countless hours of unpaid volunteer work to become an invaluable subject matter expert then you might have the opportunity of getting paid a full time pilot salary to spend most of your time awake doing full time work.
If it was that easy then you would be doing it… But you’re not.
If it was that easy then you would be doing it… But you’re not.
It pretty much seems the same people just get regurgitated to different committees. How many of our lower level Koapaka pilots have come and gone from office work?
I'm pretty sure most pilots have a high level of ability in learning new subjects or material. We seem to do alright learning new aircraft in a short amount of time. We are all self starters who don't need managers looking over our shoulder. I'd bet one of my homes that I could become a contract subject matter expert fairly quickly. It's basically the same as being a ground school instructor. Once you are immersed in the material, you become an "expert" quite rapidly. I don't need to know every numerical value on the 330 because that's not what I do on a daily basis. But a new hire teaching GS for a few months will undoubtedly know more about the systems than I would just flying the line for decades.
All I ask is that things are fair across the board. And no one gets an unfair upper hand simply because they know someone. HA is one of the few companies where who you know matters more than what you know. Heck, I've flown at regionals where HA pilots would have no shot at being in their position with their relatively little experience.
Bottom line.... We fly a handful of flights to a few destinations. Probably the easiest route structure of any airline in the World. We can barely get that right. We are still working on figuring out which gravel and dirt employee parking location we are allowed to use. And we created a "B" scale a decade after pilots were able to get rid of them, because one of the wealthiest companies in the World (AMZ) is not able to pay HA the extra $15/hr for a few dozen pilots to fly boxes.
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02-09-2024, 08:16 AM
#554
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Joined APC: Jan 2024
Posts: 23
Interestingly enough, I have done some lower level volunteer work. Also tried to get on other commitees in the past. "lack of funds to send to training, or just the fact I wasn't in Da Hui" seemed to squash my other volunteer attempts. I'd contact the chair of certain committees I was interested in, would get a wishy-washy explaination of the details of the work, training, travel to DC for said training, I'd say I was all in...and then crickets. A few months later another pilot would be in said position, usually someone who was coming from another position, or just adding another position to their resume.
It pretty much seems the same people just get regurgitated to different committees. How many of our lower level Koapaka pilots have come and gone from office work?
I'm pretty sure most pilots have a high level of ability in learning new subjects or material. We seem to do alright learning new aircraft in a short amount of time. We are all self starters who don't need managers looking over our shoulder. I'd bet one of my homes that I could become a contract subject matter expert fairly quickly. It's basically the same as being a ground school instructor. Once you are immersed in the material, you become an "expert" quite rapidly. I don't need to know every numerical value on the 330 because that's not what I do on a daily basis. But a new hire teaching GS for a few months will undoubtedly know more about the systems than I would just flying the line for decades.
All I ask is that things are fair across the board. And no one gets an unfair upper hand simply because they know someone. HA is one of the few companies where who you know matters more than what you know. Heck, I've flown at regionals where HA pilots would have no shot at being in their position with their relatively little experience.
Bottom line.... We fly a handful of flights to a few destinations. Probably the easiest route structure of any airline in the World. We can barely get that right. We are still working on figuring out which gravel and dirt employee parking location we are allowed to use. And we created a "B" scale a decade after pilots were able to get rid of them, because one of the wealthiest companies in the World (AMZ) is not able to pay HA the extra $15/hr for a few dozen pilots to fly boxes.
It pretty much seems the same people just get regurgitated to different committees. How many of our lower level Koapaka pilots have come and gone from office work?
I'm pretty sure most pilots have a high level of ability in learning new subjects or material. We seem to do alright learning new aircraft in a short amount of time. We are all self starters who don't need managers looking over our shoulder. I'd bet one of my homes that I could become a contract subject matter expert fairly quickly. It's basically the same as being a ground school instructor. Once you are immersed in the material, you become an "expert" quite rapidly. I don't need to know every numerical value on the 330 because that's not what I do on a daily basis. But a new hire teaching GS for a few months will undoubtedly know more about the systems than I would just flying the line for decades.
All I ask is that things are fair across the board. And no one gets an unfair upper hand simply because they know someone. HA is one of the few companies where who you know matters more than what you know. Heck, I've flown at regionals where HA pilots would have no shot at being in their position with their relatively little experience.
Bottom line.... We fly a handful of flights to a few destinations. Probably the easiest route structure of any airline in the World. We can barely get that right. We are still working on figuring out which gravel and dirt employee parking location we are allowed to use. And we created a "B" scale a decade after pilots were able to get rid of them, because one of the wealthiest companies in the World (AMZ) is not able to pay HA the extra $15/hr for a few dozen pilots to fly boxes.
Sometimes a pilot wants to get on a committee to forward his own personal agenda, not what's best for the group.
i don't know you but you've made your position pretty clear on here about where you stand on divisive issues like vaccines , Jan 6 and the classic dog whistle , "liberal news media"......not a good fit for representing the whole pilot group. Hallmark of good CRM.... don't wear your politics or your spiritual beliefs on your sleeve....same is true when doing ALPA work.
02-09-2024, 12:17 PM
#555
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Joined APC: Aug 2022
Posts: 466
FWIW, the union is always looking for pilots willing to help. If someone is not selected perhaps there is the very real possibility they are seen as lacking the open mind and perspective that they can serve the whole pilot group.
Sometimes a pilot wants to get on a committee to forward his own personal agenda, not what's best for the group.
i don't know you but you've made your position pretty clear on here about where you stand on divisive issues like vaccines , Jan 6 and the classic dog whistle , "liberal news media"......not a good fit for representing the whole pilot group. Hallmark of good CRM.... don't wear your politics or your spiritual beliefs on your sleeve....same is true when doing ALPA work.
Sometimes a pilot wants to get on a committee to forward his own personal agenda, not what's best for the group.
i don't know you but you've made your position pretty clear on here about where you stand on divisive issues like vaccines , Jan 6 and the classic dog whistle , "liberal news media"......not a good fit for representing the whole pilot group. Hallmark of good CRM.... don't wear your politics or your spiritual beliefs on your sleeve....same is true when doing ALPA work.
However, there have been volunteers who ran for elected positions over the last 4 yrs that did mention "following science" when that was the popular saying. And a certain smugness when a Maine member was questioned on various issues related to the Flu. Nobody is completely immune to portraying divisive rhetoric or social/political beliefs. After several decades of doing this, the age old "keep politics out of the cockpit" is pretty much in the past. Anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Especially when our own CP gets in front of a camara to say how inclusive we are and I can now wear pocketless trousers to work. And a blouse with shoulder pads to GS.
I'd be willing to bet that those who are against Fostro are probably the same guys who got it wrong from March 2020 until Omicron ruined their rhetoric.
02-09-2024, 02:09 PM
#556
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Joined APC: Jan 2024
Posts: 70
Sure. But I think his point is that you are a one trick pony. Every rep and volunteer has opinions on things, but it's possible to have a conversation with them and not have them try to discuss those things. You... not so much so.
02-09-2024, 02:09 PM
#557
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 106
I do see your point, and after the last 4yrs I wouldn't volunteer for anything related to HA or HALMEC. In essence it becomes a moot point. I look forward to new endeavors with AK. Both because I grew sick of the current leadership and something new is needed.
However, there have been volunteers who ran for elected positions over the last 4 yrs that did mention "following science" when that was the popular saying. And a certain smugness when a Maine member was questioned on various issues related to the Flu. Nobody is completely immune to portraying divisive rhetoric or social/political beliefs. After several decades of doing this, the age old "keep politics out of the cockpit" is pretty much in the past. Anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Especially when our own CP gets in front of a camara to say how inclusive we are and I can now wear pocketless trousers to work. And a blouse with shoulder pads to GS.
I'd be willing to bet that those who are against Fostro are probably the same guys who got it wrong from March 2020 until Omicron ruined their rhetoric.
However, there have been volunteers who ran for elected positions over the last 4 yrs that did mention "following science" when that was the popular saying. And a certain smugness when a Maine member was questioned on various issues related to the Flu. Nobody is completely immune to portraying divisive rhetoric or social/political beliefs. After several decades of doing this, the age old "keep politics out of the cockpit" is pretty much in the past. Anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Especially when our own CP gets in front of a camara to say how inclusive we are and I can now wear pocketless trousers to work. And a blouse with shoulder pads to GS.
I'd be willing to bet that those who are against Fostro are probably the same guys who got it wrong from March 2020 until Omicron ruined their rhetoric.
02-09-2024, 08:36 PM
#558
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 1,208
Yup.
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