vaxedtothemax

Are there rates for widebodies in the contract?




[MOD EDIT: While agree with you, this is not the place for that]

rickair7777

Not in the AS contract if that's what you're asking. There obviously will be in the JCBA.

fostro

If you haven't heard about this, that tells me your not flying brother. I got a great idea, let the MEC release the results of the last ALPA survey, and let's see the truth about how our members view the MEC and negotiating group's performance. Why do you think those results were never released or talked about? At least the company releases the NaLeo results, Good and Bad.

I have no problem being junior on the list, it doesn't bother me, brother, let's focus on the corruption, you know the negotiating committee member out on medical for two years and never entered the VEBA program while being paid by ALPA. Those receiving 90 hours a month working remotely, Chairs on ALPA pay during weekends and holidays with 97 hours, a van bought for MEC members that commute with no vehicle, ALPA "Comp Pay" not tracked and given out to the Good Ole' Boys, the list of corruption and integrity issues is endless.

HA Pilots, this needs to stop, other MECs don't operate like this. MEC if any of this isn't true then put out a communication with the factual data that clears you from this. We can't move forward from past corruption when the same 6 are leading the pyramid.

RELEASE the SURVEY and STOP the CORRUPTION, in Unity...

fostro

Please direct me to the language that allows committee members to be out on medical while receiving ALPA pay and not entering the VEBA program. I only see language for instructors, maybe you have another LOA that was signed?

ALPA Pay for the Good Ole' Boys, VEBA for the Rest, in Unity...

TTail

This is going to boggle your mind but...

In the past we've elected an MEC Chairman (and a relatively popular one at that) who could no longer hold a medical.

And if there is language, it would be in the Policy Manual, not the contract.

fostro

My apologies, I did not know a Negotiating Committee member is elected at HA (Do Better).

In the policy manual, not the contract like the 2-year instructor allowance? Sorry pal, it's not in the policy manual.

Don't Lose Focus on the Corruption, in Unity...

PineappleXpres

Your new purpose in life. Not spending spare time being a better aviator or citizen, but a vendetta against a surfer. Give ‘em hell.

vaxedtothemax

I honestly couldn't care less at what is happening in the Union, and look forward to part of a better managed airline.

However, "Not spending spare time being a better aviator or citizen," is a pretty lame attempt at diverting the fact that it could be possible Fostro has a valid arguement...

You've never admitted a single time over the last 3+ years, that anything was remotely messed up at HA. Care to share your aviation background/experience? How many non-Hawaii airlines/aviation departments have you worked for?

Honestly, I have had more faith and more trust in my first airline 20+ years ago, that had a handful of 1900's and a training/dispatch department run out of a module style home, than I do in Koapaka.

PineappleXpres

I believe I said give ‘em hell. Koapaka won’t be in change anymore so we’ll have collective hope that Seattles way is better. I’ve worked for more than 5 previous carriers and a few had the benefit of being small. Walking through AMR was grosser than Koapaka, but I see/feel some similarities. I’m as uninvolved with corporate as possible.

EK GANN

Fostro, trying to figure out why you keep talking about Unity when your position is not in line with the majority of HA pilots? Your compaints about the MEC seem rooted in your
own personal discontent with Hawaii and a lot of his coworkers as well as a lack of appreciation of reality due, in large part, to limited experience in the industry. Your list of complaints seem pretty weak to me and oddly, appear to have focused on a surfing injury as somehow being extra villainous? (hint, you're at Hawaiian Airlines) One just has to look at the USAir/USAPA debacle to know how destructive angry bitter pilots can get. Fortunately both HA and Alaska has a lot of solid veterans and this merger combines two very storied survivors of deregulation, both airlines bring a lot to the table. This MEC has a lot of experience and the simple fact is the SLI will have to go to arbitration. Trying to undermine them and replace them with an inexperinced new crew is a recipe for disaster and could have far reaching negative consequences to your career and retirement. Truly, they have a lot of experience and you actually don't have all the answers. Insight and wisdom should continue to evolve as you gain more experience.