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Old 01-16-2024, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fostro
I speak from experience, Voggers is not in the house, it's in the MEC house. This post would be removed immediately and I would receive a phone call explaining to me this isn't factual information and it's hurting the negotiating process. My friend, try and post something on Voggers that isn't positive toward the MEC and see what happens. This is why we created our forum to avoid being censored, "Censorship is the tool used when the LIE loses its power".

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Old 01-16-2024, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You were wrong when you said this in the AS forum, and you're still wrong. Apples to oranges.

And DOJ didn't get a "mandate". They may have just got lucky and drawn a sympathetic judge.
You are right this is apples to oranges, the spirit/jetblue merger was far more justified than the AS/HA merger.
The judge was a reagan appointee.
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Old 01-16-2024, 02:07 PM
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You are right this is apples to oranges, the spirit/jetblue merger was far more justified than the AS/HA merger.
The judge was a reagan appointee.
How so?

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Old 01-16-2024, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatBigSea
How so?

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The smaller argument is the overlap for why it was blocked the IN BOLD argument is that JetBlue would eliminate ULCC seats from the market.

Hawaii/Alaska is so not a monopoly that virtually nobody can make money on it. Tons of players. Inter island can’t even handle two players without working together to set a fair value which is normally illegal unless given immunity.
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Old 01-16-2024, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GrossNavError
You are right this is apples to oranges, the spirit/jetblue merger was far more justified than the AS/HA merger.
The judge was a reagan appointee.
??? Have an axe to grind?

I think an AS/HA merger would be good for both companies, and younger pilots in the long run.

But personally it would be best for me if it didn't happen, too much risk of senior HA pilots bidding into west coats bases on top of me in the mid-term. But that doesn't change the fact that I think it's more likely than not to go through.
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Old 01-16-2024, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
??? Have an axe to grind?

I think an AS/HA merger would be good for both companies, and younger pilots in the long run.

But personally it would be best for me if it didn't happen, too much risk of senior HA pilots bidding into west coats bases on top of me in the mid-term. But that doesn't change the fact that I think it's more likely than not to go through.
I’m curious to see if it gets sued. If so I think it’s any bodies guess if it gets blocked. Hopefully due diligence is done before they drag us through the courts.

Our competitors may have something to say. But they don’t count.
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Old 01-16-2024, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
I’m curious to see if it gets sued. If so I think it’s any bodies guess if it gets blocked. Hopefully due diligence is done before they drag us through the courts.

Our competitors may have something to say. But they don’t count.
Jetblue and Spirit had a lot working against them. As you said, eliminating an ULCC is a huge, valid concern for the DOJ/Anti Trust. Also the NEA was a net negative that B6 walked away from in hopes of getting the merger pushed through. Alaska's agreement with AA was cited as a positive example on how a codeshare agreement can/should be done in that case.

AS/HA have minimal overlap, and if needed can shed some gates routes to make the merger more palatable to the DOJ. There may be hiccups, but I bet its allowed.
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Old 01-17-2024, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
all I read is blah blah blah I’m a whiny biatch. Seriously man up and volunteer your own time or shut tf up.
If it was soooo lucrative to be an alpa committee member you’d have a line out the door trying to fill seats. But yet nobody is raising their hands to help.

you have the time to look up others schedules at post 97.16 ?…god dang man you are salty. 16 is what like 8 minutes ? That’s like waiting for a gate in Maui?

do everyone a favor apply elsewhere…in unity
I've volunteered for various positions in the past.. However I wasn't part of the HNL Hui, there was always some excuse or delay and then crickets. We have the same people going through the revolving door of committee positions. The one position I was able to get, was eliminated during the flu, then when it started up again I wasn't a part of it but was never informed of being dropped.
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Originally Posted by TTail
He didn't get us anything. He voted no on the deal, but refused to tell anybody why. The other 3 MEC members are what got us that contract.
The other 3 members wanted $250/hr for widebody...

The pilots were very very lucky the European CEO scoffed at that, then DL/UA signed for much more, and we road their coattails.

No MEC, in todays pilot market, should have a "B" scale.
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
I’m curious to see if it gets sued. If so I think it’s any bodies guess if it gets blocked. Hopefully due diligence is done before they drag us through the courts.
The administration might well litigate even if they don't think they have a case, and if they don't really care if the merger goes through... Optics for the base, Big Business = Bad, anything that interferes with Big Business = Good. They'll lose, and they know it, but it will look like they tried.

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Our competitors may have something to say. But they don’t count.
Anybody can talk to .gov. You can also file an Amicus brief, although the motives of other airlines opposing the merger would be painfully self-serving and thus not likely credible. Unless other airlines can come up with a true legal foul, as opposed to "this is not fair because it will make it harder to run HA out of business and allow us to monopolize inter-island".
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