Combining with Alaska Airlines for a Stronger
01-10-2024, 06:36 AM
#331
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2022
Position: A330, Right
Posts: 134
What seems to the the consenses with the pilots around there? Happy about combining the two airlines, or pesismistic of what they believe is to come?
Not nessessarly what YOU think, but what you've observed from the person sitting in the seat next to you the last five weeks?
Not nessessarly what YOU think, but what you've observed from the person sitting in the seat next to you the last five weeks?
01-10-2024, 08:03 AM
#332
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 313
What seems to the the consenses with the pilots around there? Happy about combining the two airlines, or pesismistic of what they believe is to come?
Not nessessarly what YOU think, but what you've observed from the person sitting in the seat next to you the last five weeks?
Not nessessarly what YOU think, but what you've observed from the person sitting in the seat next to you the last five weeks?
01-10-2024, 08:41 AM
#333
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 379
THIS^^^^^^^
Only high level MEC member that I felt hasn't used the position to get into Koapaka. He had zero intention of going into management. His only focus was getting the best contract he could. He also didn't talk down to membership or smirk (like our current lead negotiator). Our current leadership will quickly move on with a one word answer when they don't like the question being posed to them.
The issue with HA ALPA is that it is/has been such a small airline, based on a small island, that most everyone in management and the MEC knows each other personally. Many have kids at the same schools, attend the same family functions, go to the same churches, work out at the same gyms etc etc. It creates a dynamic where we don't use a more hard lined approach to negotiating, sticking to the contract etc. That and the island way is to "go along to get along" and use "group think" in everything we do. Even those that disagree have it pounded into them to not display their disagreements and go along with the rest or else bring shame upon themselves.
Only high level MEC member that I felt hasn't used the position to get into Koapaka. He had zero intention of going into management. His only focus was getting the best contract he could. He also didn't talk down to membership or smirk (like our current lead negotiator). Our current leadership will quickly move on with a one word answer when they don't like the question being posed to them.
The issue with HA ALPA is that it is/has been such a small airline, based on a small island, that most everyone in management and the MEC knows each other personally. Many have kids at the same schools, attend the same family functions, go to the same churches, work out at the same gyms etc etc. It creates a dynamic where we don't use a more hard lined approach to negotiating, sticking to the contract etc. That and the island way is to "go along to get along" and use "group think" in everything we do. Even those that disagree have it pounded into them to not display their disagreements and go along with the rest or else bring shame upon themselves.
Let's focus on our Safety Chair who receives +90 hours a month while flying only 4 trips, and he is a junior Captain. I have never met him in my life, don't even know what he looks like, never seen any useful safety information, the only work I have seen him do is a stupid memo that asked our pilots to be more careful. Junior Captains, are you ok with his +90 hours a month while flying only 4 trips just because he is besties with the MEC Chair? HA pilots you must understand this is a "Good Ol' Boys" network because we are allowing it. This is no different than our upstairs management yet we are ok with it because they are so-called pilots.
Let's stop this madness, we need our previous MEC Chair to step up and remove this MEC, enough is enough, time for a RECALL! Remember ALPA is based on an upside-down pyramid, not a normal pyramid run by 4-6 individuals.
All for Recall, in Unity...
01-10-2024, 09:03 AM
#335
Ignoring; John Burke.
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Position: Wandering
Posts: 236
As far as unrealistic, we had a loft that departed ANC to the east, enroute to NY and lost the cabin over the mountains.. which was at that time a non radar environment below about 14,000 AIR. It was a great lesson, but a ball buster for those unaccustomed to high terrain awareness, and low airways navigation, communicating with the mask, etc... Certainly not unrealistic though.
01-10-2024, 09:09 AM
#336
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 379
THIS^^^^^^^
Only high level MEC member that I felt hasn't used the position to get into Koapaka. He had zero intention of going into management. His only focus was getting the best contract he could. He also didn't talk down to membership or smirk (like our current lead negotiator). Our current leadership will quickly move on with a one word answer when they don't like the question being posed to them.
The issue with HA ALPA is that it is/has been such a small airline, based on a small island, that most everyone in management and the MEC knows each other personally. Many have kids at the same schools, attend the same family functions, go to the same churches, work out at the same gyms etc etc. It creates a dynamic where we don't use a more hard lined approach to negotiating, sticking to the contract etc. That and the island way is to "go along to get along" and use "group think" in everything we do. Even those that disagree have it pounded into them to not display their disagreements and go along with the rest or else bring shame upon themselves.
Only high level MEC member that I felt hasn't used the position to get into Koapaka. He had zero intention of going into management. His only focus was getting the best contract he could. He also didn't talk down to membership or smirk (like our current lead negotiator). Our current leadership will quickly move on with a one word answer when they don't like the question being posed to them.
The issue with HA ALPA is that it is/has been such a small airline, based on a small island, that most everyone in management and the MEC knows each other personally. Many have kids at the same schools, attend the same family functions, go to the same churches, work out at the same gyms etc etc. It creates a dynamic where we don't use a more hard lined approach to negotiating, sticking to the contract etc. That and the island way is to "go along to get along" and use "group think" in everything we do. Even those that disagree have it pounded into them to not display their disagreements and go along with the rest or else bring shame upon themselves.
The Time is NOW, in Unity...
01-10-2024, 02:18 PM
#337
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 33
I think everyone is kind of conceding to the fact that the whole "nothings gonna change, we're gonna operate two independent airlines" thing is BS.
01-10-2024, 03:51 PM
#338
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Joined APC: Jan 2024
Posts: 70
Let's focus on our Safety Chair who receives +90 hours a month while flying only 4 trips, and he is a junior Captain. I have never met him in my life, don't even know what he looks like, never seen any useful safety information, the only work I have seen him do is a stupid memo that asked our pilots to be more careful. Junior Captains, are you ok with his +90 hours a month while flying only 4 trips just because he is besties with the MEC Chair? HA pilots you must understand this is a "Good Ol' Boys" network because we are allowing it. This is no different than our upstairs management yet we are ok with it because they are so-called pilots.
Maybe pick up the phone (or an computer) and ask what's up instead of just constantly tossing stones because it's readily apparent that you won't try to do any better in a postition yourself... especially if you are begging the the previous MEC to do the dirty work for you and recall the current MEC. Also, maybe ask around a bit and get some other opinions on the Crazy Korean before you annoint him as your savior.
01-10-2024, 04:27 PM
#339
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 33
All your whining really did make me curious, so I dropped the Safety Chair an email and asked for a recap of what our dues have been paying for. He gave me a pretty good list of stuff he's been working on. Totally reenforced my original thought that 36 hours a month (not idea where the 90 is coming from) is a reasonable amount for the work load. Keep in mind, we've had 3 NTSB investigated incidents in the past year. That's a whole lot of work for safety.
Maybe pick up the phone (or an computer) and ask what's up instead of just constantly tossing stones because it's readily apparent that you won't try to do any better in a postition yourself... especially if you are begging the the previous MEC to do the dirty work for you and recall the current MEC. Also, maybe ask around a bit and get some other opinions on the Crazy Korean before you annoint him as your savior.
Maybe pick up the phone (or an computer) and ask what's up instead of just constantly tossing stones because it's readily apparent that you won't try to do any better in a postition yourself... especially if you are begging the the previous MEC to do the dirty work for you and recall the current MEC. Also, maybe ask around a bit and get some other opinions on the Crazy Korean before you annoint him as your savior.
01-10-2024, 05:27 PM
#340
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 379
All your whining really did make me curious, so I dropped the Safety Chair an email and asked for a recap of what our dues have been paying for. He gave me a pretty good list of stuff he's been working on. Totally reenforced my original thought that 36 hours a month (not idea where the 90 is coming from) is a reasonable amount for the work load. Keep in mind, we've had 3 NTSB investigated incidents in the past year. That's a whole lot of work for safety.
Maybe pick up the phone (or an computer) and ask what's up instead of just constantly tossing stones because it's readily apparent that you won't try to do any better in a postition yourself... especially if you are begging the the previous MEC to do the dirty work for you and recall the current MEC. Also, maybe ask around a bit and get some other opinions on the Crazy Korean before you annoint him as your savior.
Maybe pick up the phone (or an computer) and ask what's up instead of just constantly tossing stones because it's readily apparent that you won't try to do any better in a postition yourself... especially if you are begging the the previous MEC to do the dirty work for you and recall the current MEC. Also, maybe ask around a bit and get some other opinions on the Crazy Korean before you annoint him as your savior.
You asked the Safety Chair how busy he is and he told you he is very busy, wow that's all it took. 3 NTSB events and yet this pilot group heard SH&! from the so-called Safety Chair. The pilot group had no idea we had 3 NTSB events, isn't that a SAFETY issue? We deserve to know about all NTSB events, that's safety 101. Could it be that HA management controls everything he does and won't allow him to talk about it? They control the MEC what's the difference?
Also, you are correct, my apologies I stated the Safety Chair has 90 hours, the Safety Chair has 97.16 hours of credit for January, with 5 trips, and 36 hours of ALPA pay. Not to mention two of the six days of ALPA pay are on Saturday and Sunday, hmmmm NFL playoffs, it's not NTSB work I can assure you. Why don't you do some real homework and ask the MEC for the previous Safety Chairs end-of-year ALPA payout and compare the two, maybe then you will realize we are taking it in the shorts by this useless MEC and Safety Chair.
Go ask the senior group about the last contract and what the "Crazy Guy" got them, It wasn't a 65% RATIFICATION VOTE, I can tell you that. Maybe when you're not in management's pockets you are labelled as a CRAZY guy. I will take the CRAZY guy who's not in management's pockets any day!
You are just a sheep my friend and I truly hope you are in the top tier, if you are not, you better join the RECALL MOVEMENT.
No Sheep and ALPA Pay on Weekends, in Unity...
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