Combining with Alaska Airlines for a Stronger
12-03-2023, 11:16 AM
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Unless you can produce a business plan showing Alaska plans on dumping the widebodies almost immediately to show the arbitrator it certainly will matter.
12-03-2023, 11:16 AM
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Where's the practicality for AS in buying Hawaiian just to have AA move into HNL and fly widebodies out of there? There's still going to be a widebody-level demand for HNL to LAS, NRT, PDX, etc and I don't see how AA could do that economically without opening an HNL base. Maybe this is AS trying to find a way out of being associated with a financially precarious AA? Just my two cents
12-03-2023, 11:22 AM
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Where's the practicality for AS in buying Hawaiian just to have AA move into HNL and fly widebodies out of there? There's still going to be a widebody-level demand for HNL to LAS, NRT, PDX, etc and I don't see how AA could do that economically without opening an HNL base. Maybe this is AS trying to find a way out of being associated with a financially precarious AA? Just my two cents
12-03-2023, 11:26 AM
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For sure. I definitely dont claim to know anything more than the next idiot. For what it's worth, isn't Horizon part of AAG too? They have no seniority list integration with AS. What are the odds that HA and AS remain unintegrated, like a Lufthansa and Swiss International Airlines?
12-03-2023, 11:35 AM
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That’s because most of the airframes are deployed on routes out of Seattle and Portland. There isn’t enough planes or pilots to support more flying out of other hubs. That’s one of the primary reasons that JetBlue is buying Spirit. Planes and pilots, not because of the NEA.
12-03-2023, 11:35 AM
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For sure. I definitely dont claim to know anything more than the next idiot. For what it's worth, isn't Horizon part of AAG too? They have no seniority list integration with AS. What are the odds that HA and AS remain unintegrated, like a Lufthansa and Swiss International Airlines?
12-03-2023, 11:36 AM
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With how big the legacy carriers have gotten recently, I think the other major airlines realized they either need to get big or die. In the next few years, I think you’ll see 6 major carriers:
United, American, Delta, Southwest, JetBlue/Spirit, and Alaska/Hawaiian.
Allegiant, Breeze, and Avelo are off flying point to point routes that don’t really compete with the major airlines above. I think they will continue to grow for the time being.
The big questions is where does Frontier and Sun Country go in all this?
United, American, Delta, Southwest, JetBlue/Spirit, and Alaska/Hawaiian.
Allegiant, Breeze, and Avelo are off flying point to point routes that don’t really compete with the major airlines above. I think they will continue to grow for the time being.
The big questions is where does Frontier and Sun Country go in all this?
12-03-2023, 11:46 AM
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No chance. Our scope at Alaska doesn't allow it. We will integrate. FWIW, pay no attention to the doom and gloomers here. I've been at Alaska since they bought Virgin America, where I was before. Alaska has it's quirkiness but damn if that management doesn't know how to trn a dollar into a $1.20! We are a very strong union (ALPA) and live by "Don't trust AND verify" when dealing with management. It's going to work ot for everyone and I look forward to meeting all of you on the line! In Unity.
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