PineappleXpres

no furloughs and yet 900 pilots displaced out of HNL/CVG to where exactly? Your logic is of a petulant 4 year old child.

And oh wait I must be management, right?

Take a hike, chill on the beach, go people watch or something my friend…..


…Unity…

Gobows

How many would you guess will be left in HNL when the dust settles?

PineappleXpres

Zero clue. Just like you.

With attrition (of all kinds), and people willing and wanting to relocate, just like some did for Amazon, it may not hurt at all. But once again, no clue.

fostro

Well, this 4-year-old realizes that most Legacy Airlines can't find any pilots, sort of like HA hiring anyone that has a license. In this day and age pilots are a huge asset to an airline. OK, you are HA management because you didn't realize this, clean out your desk soon, or AS leadership will do it for you. LOL. I'm sure you hike, chill on the beach all the time with your head down and a big smile. Me my friend, I will call out the obvious and hope everyone will look up to see what's going on.

Are You Smarter Than a Fourth Grader, in Unity...

PineappleXpres

And do what?

fostro

I won't be grazing!

Working on Holidays, Happy New Year, in Unity...

Moonwolf

wasn’t the goal of Alaska to make Hnl the 2nd hub in terms of size? So how many pilots does sfo/lax/anc have? Seems like if it’s bigger as far as planes pilots etc then it’s probably fine.

fostro

Yes, that's what the AS CEO has stated initially, I don't trust anything they say. The key word here is "HUB" not "BASE", OGG is a hub for HA yet we have zero pilots based there. CEO's will continue to attempt to convince everyone that no changes will occur until the DOJ signs, once that ink is dry, I believe we will see the real game plan.

Flying on Holidays, in Unity...

GreenPatures

. Also said that they plan to keep and grow the union base in HNL, check is in the mail though, I suspect this is to appease the Hawaii state government to not put up roadblocks to the merger, the only way we can protect it is through JCBA language if that is allowed. I would think in the ALPA merger priority of CAREER EXPECTATIONS that most HA pilots who were hired expected to be HNL based as a career expectation and the opportunity to have an option to fly WB or fly interisland as well so I think language could and should be added that meets ALPA merger guidelines not only for metal but for domicile. I do not trust what Ben says at all, I think he is pandering to regulators to get the merger though and his board at the moment and trying to keep the masses producing without interupption.

rickair7777

A JCBA could in *theory* contain language perpetuating a HNL base/hub. But no airline would likely ever sign such a document, they don't know what the future holds.

Merger policy protects pilots from other pilots. It does not protect pilots from most airline or industry structural changes. No airline will sign a CBA which guarantees any pilot base for very long (obviously no such language needed for SEA).

HAL pilots can, should, and presumably will get WB fences. My recollection is that domicile fences are not the norm but I'd be happy to fence domiciles on both sides of the water, if that can be done.

I don't think AS pilots should get a widebody windfall at the expense of HA pilots, or be able to bid HNL at the expense of HA pilots.

I also don't think HA mainland commuters should get a west coast domicile windfall at the expense of AS pilots.

In both cases, career expectations.


Yes they'll have to re-assure local pols and regulators. They might even end up having to put some things in writing regading local HI jobs.

But as you say, I wouldn't bank on much that's not in writing. With that said, I do think AS managers sincerely intend to retain and grow the long-haul business. What the future actually holds, and how well that works out for them, is TBD.