Combining with Alaska Airlines for a Stronger
12-13-2023, 08:27 PM
#191
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The 717 has been difficult to replace because it is the perfect size among many other reasons. Decent fuel economy, quick turns and has an amazing dispatch reliability rate considering its age and the beatng it endures. E jets are too small meaning more flights and gate issues during the mid day crush. 180 seat aircraft mean a lower load factor.
The interisland market has a large number of commuters, particularly due to flying is cheaper than a nightly hotel room.
The interisland market has a large number of commuters, particularly due to flying is cheaper than a nightly hotel room.
12-13-2023, 08:33 PM
#192
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The 717 has been difficult to replace because it is the perfect size among many other reasons. Decent fuel economy, quick turns and has an amazing dispatch reliability rate considering its age and the beatng it endures. E jets are too small meaning more flights and gate issues during the mid day crush. 180 seat aircraft mean a lower load factor.
The interisland market has a large number of commuters, particularly due to flying is cheaper than a nightly hotel room.
The interisland market has a large number of commuters, particularly due to flying is cheaper than a nightly hotel room.
12-13-2023, 09:32 PM
#193
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The GTF's have been a huge pain in the ass as far as the NEO's go. Still 4 airframes parked because of them. Not saying its impossible, but price, timelines and reliability are big factors as well.
The 717's run a 30 minute turn around for the most part, maybe the 220's could keep up, don't really know.
Thought the 319's may have been a replacement, but really hard to say now.
The 717's run a 30 minute turn around for the most part, maybe the 220's could keep up, don't really know.
Thought the 319's may have been a replacement, but really hard to say now.
12-13-2023, 09:43 PM
#194
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My apologies I haven't been on here since 2008 lol... Don't hate when someone isn't drinking the cool aide and doesn't believe everything CEO's say.
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12-14-2023, 02:11 AM
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This extended timeframe for engine servicing mentioned by airBaltic's CEO explains why the airline had 11 of its 41 jets unavailable for operations. According to an airline spokesperson, two of those aircraft are currently undergoing scheduled maintenance, while nine have been parked on the ground due to engine-related delays. As per FlightRadar24.com data, about four of these aircraft have not operated a flight since late December 2022.
One A220 operator particularly vocal about P&W's supply chain problems is Latvian carrier airBaltic, which operates a single-type fleet of A220-300s. In an interview earlier this year, airline CEO Martin Gauss explained that, due to lifetime limited parts in the engines, at various intervals in the A220’s lifetime, engines must be removed from the airplane. Engines come off the wing and are shipped to a specialist MRO provider to change parts. Unfortunately, this process is taking far longer than it should at the moment, with Gauss saying it takes 8 months.
12% of the worldwide A220 fleet is currently parked. That's a extremely high rate for a new airframe.
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12-14-2023, 05:07 AM
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No way Amazon was ever intended to be a 10 a/c operation. It'll grow. ATI is going to be drawn back with their 767's being gas guzzlers etc. Add the fact that just out of a pure operational standpoint, a major airline will typically just do things better than an ACMI carrier. Nothing against places like ATI, I'm sure the pilots are all good dudes, but a major airline operation is just next level in most ways. ATI, Atlas, Sun Country are typically revolving doors, HA, and soon to be AS, are not.
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12-14-2023, 05:35 AM
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HA's 321's phased out and replaced by whatever 737 variant Alaska decides. AS eliminates the HNL 321 pilot positions, and does HA branded flying to HI with whatever pilots have that pairing off the West Coast. The 321 HNL based pilots eventually become 737 West Coast based pilots. The paint job and website are the only thing AS needs to keep for this branded operation. AS only needs to cover roughly 20 West Coast to HI flights that HA operates. It's not that huge of an operation.
Interisland HNL base for whoever wishes to stay interisland on a 737. Possibly smaller number of HNL pilots because AS can do some SWA style inter island pairings mixed in with full time inter island operation. Kopaka HQ is drastically reduced. ( AS doesn't need our glorious schedulers and dispatchers who struggle when the RWY is shifted around.) All those HArvard MBA's at Koapaka can go to work at some other D.E.I company. Luckily, a Harvard degree doesn't mean as much these days.
Some WB pilots remain in HNL for the Asia stuff near term. (JP, S.KO, NZ.). Some WB's get moved to the mainland since they won't be doing the mainland to HI flights. Those planes used on other long haul or trans con flights where it makes sense.
Amazon stays and gets bigger as long as it continues to be a guaranteed source of income. There will be a glut of 330-200's that now can be possibly used for freight.
Either way, theres no way HNL will have 1200 pilots based there. That's a near impossibility unless absolutely zero changes and AS bought us to continue bleeding red on their balance sheet.
The timeline is dependant on fences etc, but eventually, HNL based pilots (and people of HI) will need to get used to the fact they don't own sh!t and AS can open and close anything they want. There will be no contract provision saying the HNL base and all 1200 pilots must remain for eternity. The Country runs on Captalism (thank God) and as much as the people of HI love Socialism, it just isn't based in reality.
HA was bleeding to death. No matter what P.I. and J.S. say, losing hundreds of millions while everyone else has been making money is a losing proposition. AS is basically throwing us a lifeline, one in which I'm happy to have to stay employed for a few more years vs. the near certain BK HA would have eventually faced. ( JP, the Scamdemic, fires, economy etc)
Interisland HNL base for whoever wishes to stay interisland on a 737. Possibly smaller number of HNL pilots because AS can do some SWA style inter island pairings mixed in with full time inter island operation. Kopaka HQ is drastically reduced. ( AS doesn't need our glorious schedulers and dispatchers who struggle when the RWY is shifted around.) All those HArvard MBA's at Koapaka can go to work at some other D.E.I company. Luckily, a Harvard degree doesn't mean as much these days.
Some WB pilots remain in HNL for the Asia stuff near term. (JP, S.KO, NZ.). Some WB's get moved to the mainland since they won't be doing the mainland to HI flights. Those planes used on other long haul or trans con flights where it makes sense.
Amazon stays and gets bigger as long as it continues to be a guaranteed source of income. There will be a glut of 330-200's that now can be possibly used for freight.
Either way, theres no way HNL will have 1200 pilots based there. That's a near impossibility unless absolutely zero changes and AS bought us to continue bleeding red on their balance sheet.
The timeline is dependant on fences etc, but eventually, HNL based pilots (and people of HI) will need to get used to the fact they don't own sh!t and AS can open and close anything they want. There will be no contract provision saying the HNL base and all 1200 pilots must remain for eternity. The Country runs on Captalism (thank God) and as much as the people of HI love Socialism, it just isn't based in reality.
HA was bleeding to death. No matter what P.I. and J.S. say, losing hundreds of millions while everyone else has been making money is a losing proposition. AS is basically throwing us a lifeline, one in which I'm happy to have to stay employed for a few more years vs. the near certain BK HA would have eventually faced. ( JP, the Scamdemic, fires, economy etc)
12-14-2023, 06:27 AM
#199
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HA's 321's phased out and replaced by whatever 737 variant Alaska decides. AS eliminates the HNL 321 pilot positions, and does HA branded flying to HI with whatever pilots have that pairing off the West Coast. The 321 HNL based pilots eventually become 737 West Coast based pilots. The paint job and website are the only thing AS needs to keep for this branded operation. AS only needs to cover roughly 20 West Coast to HI flights that HA operates. It's not that huge of an operation.
Interisland HNL base for whoever wishes to stay interisland on a 737. Possibly smaller number of HNL pilots because AS can do some SWA style inter island pairings mixed in with full time inter island operation. Kopaka HQ is drastically reduced. ( AS doesn't need our glorious schedulers and dispatchers who struggle when the RWY is shifted around.) All those HArvard MBA's at Koapaka can go to work at some other D.E.I company. Luckily, a Harvard degree doesn't mean as much these days.
Some WB pilots remain in HNL for the Asia stuff near term. (JP, S.KO, NZ.). Some WB's get moved to the mainland since they won't be doing the mainland to HI flights. Those planes used on other long haul or trans con flights where it makes sense.
Amazon stays and gets bigger as long as it continues to be a guaranteed source of income. There will be a glut of 330-200's that now can be possibly used for freight.
Either way, theres no way HNL will have 1200 pilots based there. That's a near impossibility unless absolutely zero changes and AS bought us to continue bleeding red on their balance sheet.
The timeline is dependant on fences etc, but eventually, HNL based pilots (and people of HI) will need to get used to the fact they don't own sh!t and AS can open and close anything they want. There will be no contract provision saying the HNL base and all 1200 pilots must remain for eternity. The Country runs on Captalism (thank God) and as much as the people of HI love Socialism, it just isn't based in reality.
Interisland HNL base for whoever wishes to stay interisland on a 737. Possibly smaller number of HNL pilots because AS can do some SWA style inter island pairings mixed in with full time inter island operation. Kopaka HQ is drastically reduced. ( AS doesn't need our glorious schedulers and dispatchers who struggle when the RWY is shifted around.) All those HArvard MBA's at Koapaka can go to work at some other D.E.I company. Luckily, a Harvard degree doesn't mean as much these days.
Some WB pilots remain in HNL for the Asia stuff near term. (JP, S.KO, NZ.). Some WB's get moved to the mainland since they won't be doing the mainland to HI flights. Those planes used on other long haul or trans con flights where it makes sense.
Amazon stays and gets bigger as long as it continues to be a guaranteed source of income. There will be a glut of 330-200's that now can be possibly used for freight.
Either way, theres no way HNL will have 1200 pilots based there. That's a near impossibility unless absolutely zero changes and AS bought us to continue bleeding red on their balance sheet.
The timeline is dependant on fences etc, but eventually, HNL based pilots (and people of HI) will need to get used to the fact they don't own sh!t and AS can open and close anything they want. There will be no contract provision saying the HNL base and all 1200 pilots must remain for eternity. The Country runs on Captalism (thank God) and as much as the people of HI love Socialism, it just isn't based in reality.
Mixed inter-island ops between HNL base and west coast ETOPS crews sounds logical, although hotel prices matter since they're going to have a HNL base anyway. Unless there's some crazy employer taxes for HNL employees it might be cheaper just to have folks based there. Bearing in mind that most of their mainland bases are not business-friendly to begin with.
WBs will go where they make sense. AS will not operate losing routes for very long... they do "recon by fire", often starting with RJ's and if they can't grow it to profit quickly it will get dropped. But I'm sure their intent is to retain WB Asia and mainland routes to the extent that it can be profitable... they didn't buy HA just to shift all the widebodies to SEA-Europe, that would be waaay out of their comfort zone. If they go there it will be careful and methodical.
Also worth pointing out that IIRC fences generally apply to FLEETS, not BASES. No idea if that's a hard/fast rule.
The wildcard is amazon, I think they said they plan to keep it and I guess as long as they've already stepped this far outside of their PNW wheelhouse, maybe that's not a stretch. But I can assure they won't let Bezos screw them over and operate at a loss. Also... unanimous sentiment with AS union folks and rank and file pilots is that the cargo B scale has to go, first order of JCBA business. So that will impact the amazon economics.
All that said, none of us can really know at this point and I doubt even the AS head-shed knows for sure. But cautionary tale... in the last merger they said a bunch of stuff up front, maybe to appease the acquired labor, which they ultimately went back on. I do have a slightly elevated opinion of current AS management after covid and the last couple years, but be wary.
12-14-2023, 12:41 PM
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HA's 321's phased out and replaced by whatever 737 variant Alaska decides. AS eliminates the HNL 321 pilot positions, and does HA branded flying to HI with whatever pilots have that pairing off the West Coast. The 321 HNL based pilots eventually become 737 West Coast based pilots. The paint job and website are the only thing AS needs to keep for this branded operation. AS only needs to cover roughly 20 West Coast to HI flights that HA operates. It's not that huge of an operation.
Interisland HNL base for whoever wishes to stay interisland on a 737. Possibly smaller number of HNL pilots because AS can do some SWA style inter island pairings mixed in with full time inter island operation. Kopaka HQ is drastically reduced. ( AS doesn't need our glorious schedulers and dispatchers who struggle when the RWY is shifted around.) All those HArvard MBA's at Koapaka can go to work at some other D.E.I company. Luckily, a Harvard degree doesn't mean as much these days.
Some WB pilots remain in HNL for the Asia stuff near term. (JP, S.KO, NZ.). Some WB's get moved to the mainland since they won't be doing the mainland to HI flights. Those planes used on other long haul or trans con flights where it makes sense.
Amazon stays and gets bigger as long as it continues to be a guaranteed source of income. There will be a glut of 330-200's that now can be possibly used for freight.
Either way, theres no way HNL will have 1200 pilots based there. That's a near impossibility unless absolutely zero changes and AS bought us to continue bleeding red on their balance sheet.
The timeline is dependant on fences etc, but eventually, HNL based pilots (and people of HI) will need to get used to the fact they don't own sh!t and AS can open and close anything they want. There will be no contract provision saying the HNL base and all 1200 pilots must remain for eternity. The Country runs on Captalism (thank God) and as much as the people of HI love Socialism, it just isn't based in reality.
HA was bleeding to death. No matter what P.I. and J.S. say, losing hundreds of millions while everyone else has been making money is a losing proposition. AS is basically throwing us a lifeline, one in which I'm happy to have to stay employed for a few more years vs. the near certain BK HA would have eventually faced. ( JP, the Scamdemic, fires, economy etc)
Interisland HNL base for whoever wishes to stay interisland on a 737. Possibly smaller number of HNL pilots because AS can do some SWA style inter island pairings mixed in with full time inter island operation. Kopaka HQ is drastically reduced. ( AS doesn't need our glorious schedulers and dispatchers who struggle when the RWY is shifted around.) All those HArvard MBA's at Koapaka can go to work at some other D.E.I company. Luckily, a Harvard degree doesn't mean as much these days.
Some WB pilots remain in HNL for the Asia stuff near term. (JP, S.KO, NZ.). Some WB's get moved to the mainland since they won't be doing the mainland to HI flights. Those planes used on other long haul or trans con flights where it makes sense.
Amazon stays and gets bigger as long as it continues to be a guaranteed source of income. There will be a glut of 330-200's that now can be possibly used for freight.
Either way, theres no way HNL will have 1200 pilots based there. That's a near impossibility unless absolutely zero changes and AS bought us to continue bleeding red on their balance sheet.
The timeline is dependant on fences etc, but eventually, HNL based pilots (and people of HI) will need to get used to the fact they don't own sh!t and AS can open and close anything they want. There will be no contract provision saying the HNL base and all 1200 pilots must remain for eternity. The Country runs on Captalism (thank God) and as much as the people of HI love Socialism, it just isn't based in reality.
HA was bleeding to death. No matter what P.I. and J.S. say, losing hundreds of millions while everyone else has been making money is a losing proposition. AS is basically throwing us a lifeline, one in which I'm happy to have to stay employed for a few more years vs. the near certain BK HA would have eventually faced. ( JP, the Scamdemic, fires, economy etc)
This is the most realistic future outlook I have seen..
Unity.....
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