Neosporin

Considering AS's successful business plan, they'll look at the financials related to the 717 and park it asap. It's a financial burden, mx costs, parts, lack of parts, reliability, customer confidence including loss business to SW. Delays and cancellations.

FyrePilot

The wide body to west coast is done. With only 18 premium lie flat seats the money doesn’t work. Maybe with the 787 with 30+ people will pay for premium. That advantage is gone when United lie flat max 10 comes online.

Interisland will switch to 737s. Same model as southwest. They will keep the narrowbody hub for as long as the merger requirement states and then it’s done.

Widebody will have to stay in HNL until the slots in Asia are renegotiated. This EU from Seattle business is a pipe dream. JetBlue is getting kicked out of slots it just got. There is no room for Alaska there.

Japan, Korea, and most likely China all have aging populations that are not being replaced anywhere close to fast enough. Once the current generation no longer travels there won’t be nearly enough people in the future to fill planes to Hawaii or Mainland. It’s a dead market. Litterally. The future is southeast towards Singapore and Malaysia. Indonesia too, but India is growing the most rapidly. Look at their recent orders

Maybe Alaska can get preferential Boeing treatment for 787s. But surely not against UA with 200 on order or other bigger orders.

Sure maybe the 12 on order for HA get to SEA as soon as the merger (acquisition) requirements allow. However anyone not in the top 20% of the combined seniority list is going to be flying Boeing junk 737s that are only flying because of paid off politicians out of west coast bases for a company based in a city I try to bid avoid.

Anyways- all I want to know is the cargo future. Which no one has really said anything about

av8tor55

What does it cost to run a base? A crew room and some support personnel? Not insignificant, but certainly cost effective if you have a sufficient amount of flights flowing through the islands. I'm no accountant, but I imagine that the cost of per diem, hotels, and crew transportation exceed the operating cost of a base at some point on the balance sheet. You can also factor reserve coverage into the mix. If the FA's have a LAX base for as few turns that we have going through there, I'm sure the math works out for a HNL base.

fostro

Six years ago rent in the HNL lounge was over a million dollars a year not including the locker space etc. Many items tied to a "base" increase the cost to operate. If bases were cost effective airlines would have them all over the country. UA, AK, SWA, AA all have tons of flights to HI and they function without any bases here. Without inter-island flying no bases will be required. In the past HA's SEA, PDX, and LAX pilot bases were closed during Hawaiian's last bankruptcy to save money, not that HA is bankrupted but it gives an example of where the costs are. In regards to the LAX FA base, it has been a point of focus and the company wanted to shut it down on many occasions. It was a political football however the former MEC President has since retired so who knows if it will remain open or if it even matters now.

Unfortunately, if the HNL base does survive you will probably have to be in the top 10% to hold it. I will never see HNL LOL...

Unity Always......

Gobows

So what’s the point of buying Hawaiian? Some pilots and a few 787 orders? Shut the rest down?

fostro

Good points! Regarding the Cargo, that is a very good question. I was wondering if the Amazon contract has any "eject" provisions.s for mergers etc. Hope we get an answer to your question soon.

Unity.....

fostro

Combined AS/HA will own roughly 45% of the HI market. The question is what aircraft will be flying the routes. I don't see any Airbus in that equation, AS has the 737 dialed in and making money. As you mentioned adding another 1000 pilots that are current and qualified is a very attractive buy.

Unity....

DenainaPilot

In the AS all pilot call they mentioned they are very much interested in keeping the cargo flying.

Neosporin

Yes airlines do have them all over the country, Allegiant, SWA, Frontier and Spirirt. 10 or more in some cases. Skywest had multiple in the Brasilia days. Anyway and you forget SFO as one of our bases in the past.
also, we will be opening a crew lounge, all pilot one. How about that, pretty cool.
So, none of us know what's going to happen. Bases, who gets 787s.
We'll see.

Unity and Solidarity

Rama

SEA was around long past the bankruptcy.
It was super senior, only flew to HNL and OGG.