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Old 12-10-2023, 10:14 AM
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In regards to Alaska putting 175s in the islands, I wouldn't worry too much.

What you're seeing on here is kind of a tongue in cheek joke by alaska pilots. Before we had scope they were putting tons of 175s everywhere, even on routes you'd expect a 737 on. They'd say we are 'testing the market' and silly stuff like that.

They can barely staff the 175s we have now, can't see them trying to shift any of them to Hawaii. It's a common joke on the line, but to my knowledge it isn't actually being considered.

Plus, doesn't Hawaiian scope prevent that somehow anyway?
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Originally Posted by SkyKing466
In regards to Alaska putting 175s in the islands, I wouldn't worry too much.

What you're seeing on here is kind of a tongue in cheek joke by alaska pilots. Before we had scope they were putting tons of 175s everywhere, even on routes you'd expect a 737 on. They'd say we are 'testing the market' and silly stuff like that.

They can barely staff the 175s we have now, can't see them trying to shift any of them to Hawaii. It's a common joke on the line, but to my knowledge it isn't actually being considered.

Plus, doesn't Hawaiian scope prevent that somehow anyway?
alaska pilots have some messed up sense of humor then. Hawaiian scope prevents it, but a JCBA which is yet to be written hopefully prevents it from happening but I’m not sure how the chips fall and how it all plays out
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alaska pilots have some messed up sense of humor then. Hawaiian scope prevents it, but a JCBA which is yet to be written hopefully prevents it from happening but I’m not sure how the chips fall and how it all plays out
You have to take it in context. Alaska pilots watched Skywest fly ultra-long turns in the ERJ when it first appeared. Think PDX-STL, PDX-AUS, PDX-MSP. We're talkin 7:30+ turns. Then eventually flying from the west coast to JFK through Dallas. These are all routes that nobody ever imagined regional aircraft would be doing. All while we had 0 scope to prevent or even hinder it. So it's not funny, but it's funny. The ERJ will never work inter-island, nor could they spare the planes or the pilots to make it work.
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You have to take it in context. Alaska pilots watched Skywest fly ultra-long turns in the ERJ when it first appeared. Think PDX-STL, PDX-AUS, PDX-MSP. We're talkin 7:30+ turns. Then eventually flying from the west coast to JFK through Dallas. These are all routes that nobody ever imagined regional aircraft would be doing. All while we had 0 scope to prevent or even hinder it. So it's not funny, but it's funny. The ERJ will never work inter-island, nor could they spare the planes or the pilots to make it work.
It was LGA, not JFK. Ask me how I know.
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Originally Posted by SkyKing466
In regards to Alaska putting 175s in the islands, I wouldn't worry too much.

What you're seeing on here is kind of a tongue in cheek joke by alaska pilots. Before we had scope they were putting tons of 175s everywhere, even on routes you'd expect a 737 on. They'd say we are 'testing the market' and silly stuff like that.

They can barely staff the 175s we have now, can't see them trying to shift any of them to Hawaii. It's a common joke on the line, but to my knowledge it isn't actually being considered.

Plus, doesn't Hawaiian scope prevent that somehow anyway?
The airline was founded on inter island flying. It’s ground zero, patient zero, etc of our scope language. It’s not old rich fat man flying, but it’s the sexiest mainline job out there.
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Originally Posted by Yakattack
It was LGA, not JFK. Ask me how I know.
Lol, yes you're right. I did my best to avoid it but ended up in there a handful of times.
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
The airline was founded on inter island flying. It’s ground zero, patient zero, etc of our scope language. It’s not old rich fat man flying, but it’s the sexiest mainline job out there.
And we should all do our best to keep it that way.
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Who's to say that Alaska doesn't open a 737 base in 6 months. Planning for the whole merger later, bam. Flying along side of us until the deed is done.
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Who's to say that Alaska doesn't open a 737 base in 6 months. Planning for the whole merger later, bam. Flying along side of us until the deed is done.
And use what gates? To compete against HA and SWA? Seems a little silly and a great way to lose a bunch of money.
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Originally Posted by word302
And use what gates? To compete against HA and SWA? Seems a little silly and a great way to lose a bunch of money.
They have their owns gates. Isn't that the replacment for the 717?
Plus they have planes that work. Maybe not compete inter island but connect some of their OGGs and LIHs, or KOA maybe.
They may as well start now.

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