Hawaiian Hiring FOs
09-20-2024, 12:40 PM
#631
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Define very soon. The DOT has mandated that for 6 years we maintain levels of service. At the very least we've got a year before JCBA, meaning "very soon" couldn't be sooner than a year due to scope. On top of that, I'd like to see a reasoned explanation on how you drop from a 128 seat airplane to a 78 seat plane. In the medium term I could see a case for having a Horizon presence to supplement a 737 operation, however I can't imagine a fleet of 5 E-175's making sense for the company. At the end of the day, nobody knows what they're going to do, except for that "very soon" is not going to happen.. The best we can hope for is incorporation of our scope language into the JCBA, with that same language being expanded to SE Alaska.
09-20-2024, 12:48 PM
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09-20-2024, 05:46 PM
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It’s a great airplane, but having a separate type for that small amount of flying doesn’t make a ton of sense. I imagine the MAX 7 will eventually get ordered if they can ever get it approved. Inter-island will probably also be tagged onto current 73 flying. I don’t see the 717 going away until we can start getting deliveries at a normal pace though.
09-20-2024, 05:51 PM
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Yeah just overkill for what the 700 does. I’m not sure what the difference will be in fuel burn between the 7 and 8, but it wouldn’t surprise me to end up with 10 or more for inter-island and SE.
09-20-2024, 06:07 PM
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I don’t think there is much difference in fuel burn, but at this point the 7 is not even certified. They could easily turn 10s into 8s in time for replacing 717s if they wanted to go that route. I don’t know if 7s would make sense doing ETOPS flights.
09-20-2024, 06:40 PM
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Yeah definitely not for ETOPS.
09-20-2024, 11:22 PM
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I think the current generations of airline pilots will have absolutely zero tolerance for any sort of scope relief, by a very wide margin.
But the economic realities make it very, very hard to put scope toothpaste back in the tube for current regional ops... have to break contracts, pay penalties, re-align mainline flying to cover, and likely drop routes that can't be profitably operated with narrowbodies. That would take a whole lot of negotiating capital.
Status Quo is more likely, ie should be able to keep the islands mainline, aside from whatever prop flying is happening. If there's any scope allowance whih is not currently being utilized, that's lower hanging fruit... might be able to cap scope at current operating levels (QX parked a bunch of planes recently).
But the economic realities make it very, very hard to put scope toothpaste back in the tube for current regional ops... have to break contracts, pay penalties, re-align mainline flying to cover, and likely drop routes that can't be profitably operated with narrowbodies. That would take a whole lot of negotiating capital.
Status Quo is more likely, ie should be able to keep the islands mainline, aside from whatever prop flying is happening. If there's any scope allowance whih is not currently being utilized, that's lower hanging fruit... might be able to cap scope at current operating levels (QX parked a bunch of planes recently).
09-20-2024, 11:24 PM
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