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Old 04-30-2024, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
Don’t be so sure the 330’s are going away. It sounds like HA and AK are working on plans to refresh the 330 interior to match the 787. They wouldn’t spend the money on aircraft that are going away any time soon.

The 787’s will mostly be diverted to Alaska after the merger is approved. It sounds like Alaska is outsourcing 18-20 787’s worth of pax everyday to other carriers via One World.
Hawaiian also just extended the leases on 3 or 4 330s recently as well.
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Old 04-30-2024, 10:47 PM
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Can anyone who's in the latest new hire class able to share when they got their CJO's?
Hey! So, a friend of mine got his CJO last October, and they called him for the April 2 class. He said two guys in his class were from November. I got my CJO on January 26, and they told me to expect a class date in July, August, or September. But, I received an email a few weeks ago saying it might be subject to change and could be longer than initially expected.
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Old 04-30-2024, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
Don’t be so sure the 330’s are going away. It sounds like HA and AK are working on plans to refresh the 330 interior to match the 787. They wouldn’t spend the money on aircraft that are going away any time soon.

The 787’s will mostly be diverted to Alaska after the merger is approved. It sounds like Alaska is outsourcing 18-20 787’s worth of pax everyday to other carriers via One World.
Economies of scale says if they operate 330s at all it will be at scale. That argument holds particularly if they spend the money to refurbish them. But can they be reconfigured to look anything like the 787? Probably not.
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Old 05-01-2024, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
Economies of scale says if they operate 330s at all it will be at scale. That argument holds particularly if they spend the money to refurbish them. But can they be reconfigured to look anything like the 787? Probably not.
You should take a ride on a Delta 767-400.
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Old 05-01-2024, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SD3FR8DOG
You should take a ride on a Delta 767-400.
Guess I should
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Old 05-01-2024, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
Don’t be so sure the 330’s are going away. It sounds like HA and AK are working on plans to refresh the 330 interior to match the 787. They wouldn’t spend the money on aircraft that are going away any time soon.

The 787’s will mostly be diverted to Alaska after the merger is approved. It sounds like Alaska is outsourcing 18-20 787’s worth of pax everyday to other carriers via One World.
I agree. Alaska will definitely have more use for them than HA would have. HA just doesn't have the destinations to justify an extensive WB fleet in greater numbers.

AK can use them for HI flights, whatever trans-Pacific routes , and also West Coast to East Coast flights. I believe AK does transcons to NYC, TPA and probably a few other routes that could use a WB. HA just doesn't have the type of network to be a 44 WB airline. Unfortunately, while the many pilots thought a mainland network made sense to hedge against downturns, management just didn't see it that way.
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Old 05-01-2024, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SD3FR8DOG
You should take a ride on a Delta 767-400.
KLM, ITA, and VA have some very nice cabins

https://lux-traveller.com/2022/virgi...inessclass.htm
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Old 05-01-2024, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax
I agree. Alaska will definitely have more use for them than HA would have. HA just doesn't have the destinations to justify an extensive WB fleet in greater numbers.

AK can use them for HI flights, whatever trans-Pacific routes , and also West Coast to East Coast flights. I believe AK does transcons to NYC, TPA and probably a few other routes that could use a WB. HA just doesn't have the type of network to be a 44 WB airline. Unfortunately, while the many pilots thought a mainland network made sense to hedge against downturns, management just didn't see it that way.
AK has no plans for flying the 787’s domestically.
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Old 05-01-2024, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
AK has no plans for flying the 787’s domestically.
No specific plans, agree.

But do certain execs have ambitions? Maybe.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
No specific plans, agree.

But do certain execs have ambitions? Maybe.
There is a market. We fly Widebodies when the CASM makes sense. Or maybe I’m giving to much credit to the powers at be.
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