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Old 04-25-2024, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 3wickets
I got my CJO in OCT 2023 , did get a call for the 2nd April class. But turned it down because it was Freight only. so god knows how long the wait is for the next class?
Don’t beat yourself up. There’s 13 new hire PAX slots. 3 787, 5 321, 5 330pax. From the vacancy.
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Old 04-25-2024, 08:40 PM
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I got my CJO in OCT 2023 , did get a call for the 2nd April class. But turned it down because it was Freight only. so god knows how long the wait is for the next class?
Well the freighter freeze is only one year.

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Old 04-25-2024, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Neosporin
Well the freighter freeze is only one year.
Freighter is a safe place to be over the next 12 months compared to all the uncertainty in other sides of the operation IMO
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Old 04-26-2024, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 3wickets
I got my CJO in OCT 2023 , did get a call for the 2nd April class. But turned it down because it was Freight only. so god knows how long the wait is for the next class?
Rookie mistake.

Rule #1 of getting a job in the airline business is never turn down a class date. Seniority is everything. You never know when conditions will change in this business and the music will stop. You want to be in a seat when that happens. So when they give you a date, you take it. Figure out the rest of it later.

Remember that CJO stands for "conditional job offer". They can rescind it at any time for any reason, and you effectively told them you're not really serious about working at Hawaiian, that you will do this, but not that.
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Rookie mistake.

Rule #1 of getting a job in the airline business is never turn down a class date. Seniority is everything. You never know when conditions will change in this business and the music will stop. You want to be in a seat when that happens. So when they give you a date, you take it. Figure out the rest of it later.

Remember that CJO stands for "conditional job offer". They can rescind it at any time for any reason, and you effectively told them you're not really serious about working at Hawaiian, that you will do this, but not that.
Harsh, but true.

My mentor was VERY adamant that I take the first available class.

"Are you set on Hawaiian? Then tell them at the interview that you will take any available fleet in any first available class. And then actually do it. Seniority is king. Get your feet in the door and figure out the rest."

Although I ended up not getting my first fleet choice, I am glad that I took the first open class. 2 months after I joined Hawaiian, the merger was announced and I will now at least be considered as part of the 'merged' seniority list... (Prob still be at the bottom so it's mostly irrelevant - but it feels good to be 'included' hehe)
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Old 04-26-2024, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
Rookie mistake.

Rule #1 of getting a job in the airline business is never turn down a class date. Seniority is everything. You never know when conditions will change in this business and the music will stop. You want to be in a seat when that happens. So when they give you a date, you take it. Figure out the rest of it later.

Remember that CJO stands for "conditional job offer". They can rescind it at any time for any reason, and you effectively told them you're not really serious about working at Hawaiian, that you will do this, but not that.
This. The music has basically stopped in this industry and this dude says meh. Not a bright move.

Dont be surprised when hiring stops and the pool gets purged. AS likes to interview their own.
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Old 04-26-2024, 11:13 PM
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This. The music has basically stopped in this industry and this dude says meh. Not a bright move.

Dont be surprised when hiring stops and the pool gets purged. AS likes to interview their own.
This got sent out today to those of us who still have active apps in.

"Aloha,
We regret to inform you that we are currently pausing on our First Officer hiring due to a result of recent changes at Hawaiian Airlines described below.

You may have seen recent reports in the news media detailing adjustments in hiring plans by other major airlines due to projected aircraft shortages and production delays at Boeing and Airbus. While our initial 787 deliveries have only been marginally impacted, we are experiencing delays in freighter deliveries and have moved some flights to Japan using 3-pilot crews to other destinations requiring only 2-pilot crews. The results of these events mean our pilot staffing requirements will be lower for the remainder of 2024 and possibly into 2025.

We will resume hiring when our staffing projections increase, and at that time we will email you with additional information.

We know this news is disappointing and we’d like to thank you for your understanding and patience.


Mahalo,


Recruitment - Human Resources"
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Its better to be on the inside looking out, rather than the other way.
Says everyone but those in prison.
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Old 04-27-2024, 02:36 PM
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Heard the 717s are going to be around until 2030. Is this true?
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There 717's were said to be replaced in about 5 years.
That was maybe 10 years ago. It gets repeated every so often, but have nit heard anything recently.
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