BZC17

As someone who works at SWA and has multiple buddies at Hawaiian I enjoy the hate and vitriol on this forum. The part I especially like is when Hawaiian guys tell us how hard etops is.
Listen, I get it, new guys screw up a radio call, a clearance, **** off ground at hnl or ask for a different crossing altitude. The one common part is that it’s not one company, I’ve heard every company get into trouble with atc, ground, radar (including Hawaiian).

I fly etops because it’s laid back and it’s less work, inter-island is fun (get low and call the field in sight) and the layovers are pretty chill. Every time I start complaining about my life I fly a domestic trip into Atlanta, Denver, Chicago… etc Running a de-ice checklist dodging thunderstorms is way worse than the island lifestyle. SWA flying to the islands is not going to change. Honestly, I hope you guys keep kicking ass with your great service. Just stop insinuating that your gods greatest gift to man by flying the b track and crossing over Bambo at 10k. 🤙

yeahidk

As someone who came to HAL with quite a bit of mainland experience, I definitely agree with this. I've flown both interisland and the transpac side and both are the easiest flying I've ever done in my career. Cracks me up how much the 330 guys think ETOPS means they should be paid $100/hr more than interisland. We have it so easy at this airline and we love to make it complicated for no reason.

Hawaii808

I was gonna write a long response to this, but realized none of this even matters. I have friends at SWA as well. I generally don’t hate people I don’t know. It’s to much work to even think like that. It’s a business. We just fly the planes. Just remember to turn off your chemtrails when you enter Hawaiis airspace. It’s frowned upon in the islands. Oh, and please stop calling the towers to tell them you are holding short and ready to go. It’s not necessary and it drives me crazy when I’m on short final for the same runway. 🙃

Hawaiian 5O

It's because of the size of the 330 vs the 717 that dictates the pay. We all know that the HAL inter island pilots are the hardest workers in the industry. You guys work harder than most regional guys. There is no way I could do that. If I got displaced to the 717, I'd quit. I'm not man enough to do 5-7 legs a day since I passed the age of 30.

Shhh... You'll blow our secret. We always just told you guys how hard ETOPS was to keep those super senior 717 Captains from bidding over to the 330 and knocking us all down the bid list. That worked until the 717 started doing overnights then everyone bailed anyway. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Agreed though, ETOPS at least to the west coast is the easiest flying that I've ever done. Beats the heck out of doing 1-4 legs on the mainland, de-icing 1-3 times a day, deviating 100+ miles for a line of CBs, or seeing places like EWR, ORD, ATL or STL ever again. Now, crossing the tropical convergence zone can get dicey, and flying to Asia and dealing with ATC and customs there takes anal-retentive to a whole new level.

All Around

Thank you Moonwolf. I'm coming on board in January and really hoping to get awarded the 330/330F. Really appreciate your insight.

Perhaps someone should start a "friendly banter" thread with the SW pilots. 😉

PineappleXpres

Where were you when many RJ pilots were paid 10% of wide-body pay rates? Love your enthusiasm though. The job’s gotten easier the more you make and vise versa. In my memory anyways. If the 717 pilots don’t get a disproportional increase, I’m voting any AIP down.

yeahidk

Ohhhh that makes sense :P my bad haha

Omanko

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PineappleXpres

1221….never forget….

Thunder1

never forget that just 2 months after the furlough notices went out that the top 9 execs awarded themselves a total of 26.95 Million $ in additional stock grants.