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12-15-2022, 07:50 AM
#651
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Position: CL65 El Capitano
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We are now the lowest first year pay in the industry again outside of allegiant, and our FO rates lag far behind most of the competition even with their current contracts. Hopefully they realize they’re not going to be able to attract the 300+ pilots they need to staff Amazon and the 787s with that kind of mentality. Retention will not be great with some of the new hires and both sides of the airline are a hard sale. I believe we have tapped out all the island boys (and girls).
12-15-2022, 10:18 AM
#652
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With our first year pay and incremental years being below everyone else, as you stated, how are we going to attract and retain?
Unlike the past, going back and forth with a TA elsewhere, I would hope something is presented to us early and it is respectable and the values that we deserve.
12-15-2022, 03:01 PM
#653
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Agree completely, if we are presented with a TA with today’s environment of the other airlines receiving decent contracts then yea, better for us but will we be able to retain folks…?
With our first year pay and incremental years being below everyone else, as you stated, how are we going to attract and retain?
Unlike the past, going back and forth with a TA elsewhere, I would hope something is presented to us early and it is respectable and the values that we deserve.
With our first year pay and incremental years being below everyone else, as you stated, how are we going to attract and retain?
Unlike the past, going back and forth with a TA elsewhere, I would hope something is presented to us early and it is respectable and the values that we deserve.
717: $149 (114 at HA)
321: $166 (127) Does not include delta etops pay
330: $206 (156)
We need an initial raise of over 30% on all fleets just to be in the pallpark on the FO side. Hopefully management and our NC sees this and not only gets parity for those in the left seat, but the right seat too. I’m just a couple years over 50% of our fleet will be wide-bodies.
latest class drop at delta was in the double digits for going to various WB including the 330.
12-15-2022, 03:08 PM
#654
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
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Hoping they adjust the curve on FO rates too, delta year 2 FO on DOS compared to ours:
717: $149 (114 at HA)
321: $166 (127) Does not include delta etops pay
330: $206 (156)
We need an initial raise of over 30% on all fleets just to be in the pallpark on the FO side. Hopefully management and our NC sees this and not only gets parity for those in the left seat, but the right seat too. I’m just a couple years over 50% of our fleet will be wide-bodies.
latest class drop at delta was in the double digits for going to various WB including the 330.
717: $149 (114 at HA)
321: $166 (127) Does not include delta etops pay
330: $206 (156)
We need an initial raise of over 30% on all fleets just to be in the pallpark on the FO side. Hopefully management and our NC sees this and not only gets parity for those in the left seat, but the right seat too. I’m just a couple years over 50% of our fleet will be wide-bodies.
latest class drop at delta was in the double digits for going to various WB including the 330.
12-15-2022, 04:39 PM
#655
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Posts: 336
12-17-2022, 12:36 PM
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Past July, everything is done except pay rates, vacation credit, and healthcare so we’re told. I do not know if Deltas TA has changed this or if we’re back to the drawing board in some areas. NC was supposed to meet with the company for discussions this week and update us. Haven’t heard anything…yet.
12-17-2022, 06:14 PM
#659
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12-19-2022, 03:41 PM
#660
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Posts: 225
^^^ The union email just made it pretty clear that there will be no deal this year. Negotiations to resume in January 2023. My bet is summer. At least summer for a TA. Whether it's summer 2023 or summer 2024 remains to be seen. Same stuff, different day. Sigh.
But keep applying. We will have a CVG base that you can get juniored into. Just in time for winter.
But keep applying. We will have a CVG base that you can get juniored into. Just in time for winter.
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