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Old 10-01-2022, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
If it’s the company you ultimately want to work for, then take the chance as you would any other airline. If you want stability then go work for the government. Even profitable airlines close bases.
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Old 10-02-2022, 01:39 AM
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Could also be waiting on a contract to be signed to formally announce, the numbers don’t add up for just “proper staffing” of the airline. I also received an e-mail from APC advertising first officer positions at HAL which is new for recruiting…shows they’re not backing down.

I can also confirm that the have been telling interviewees and new recruits that a ONT/LAX base is on the table.
Do the numbers add up to proper staffing when the 787 training bubble is factored in? Do we know how big that training bubble is planned to be? And now that travel restrictions are easing, the likely (gradual) return to 6-7 flights a day to and from Japan once the exchange rate cools off a bit?

Not knocking a good rumor, but just saying….
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Old 10-02-2022, 10:51 AM
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Do the numbers add up to proper staffing when the 787 training bubble is factored in? Do we know how big that training bubble is planned to be? And now that travel restrictions are easing, the likely (gradual) return to 6-7 flights a day to and from Japan once the exchange rate cools off a bit?

Not knocking a good rumor, but just saying….
I can see it actual growth, 787 bubble, or staffing formula changes as a possible explanation. Remember the flight department wanted to get near 1500 pilots. More than the current vacancy award shows. Things can change, but NDAs mean something.
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Old 10-02-2022, 10:57 AM
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I can see it actual growth, 787 bubble, or staffing formula changes as a possible explanation. Remember the flight department wanted to get near 1500 pilots. More than the current vacancy award shows. Things can change, but NDAs mean something.
Who is under an NDA? Is that first-hand info from someone under one who would be willing to personally verify its accuracy, or third-hand from “heard from a guy that x said he was under an NDA”?

Not trying to rain on anyone’s hope for an LA base (which would be great), but this rumor has had a lot of moving goalposts over the last year.
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Old 10-02-2022, 11:50 AM
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Who is under an NDA? Is that first-hand info from someone under one who would be willing to personally verify its accuracy, or third-hand from “heard from a guy that x said he was under an NDA”?

Not trying to rain on anyone’s hope for an LA base (which would be great), but this rumor has had a lot of moving goalposts over the last year.
Understandably, business dealings are brokered at speeds that take longer than a pilots patience can tolerate. If your are at a career crossroads, then you can’t afford to wait. Do what you gotta do.
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Old 10-02-2022, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
I can see it actual growth, 787 bubble, or staffing formula changes as a possible explanation. Remember the flight department wanted to get near 1500 pilots. More than the current vacancy award shows. Things can change, but NDAs mean something.
Staffing formula changes for our 5 hr min guarantee and and rolling thunder opportunities on the new contract 😃
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Staffing formula changes for our 5 hr min guarantee and and rolling thunder opportunities on the new contract 😃
Yep! That’s the one ☝️ 😂
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So Skywest’s pay went up to $90 first year FO. Coming to Hawaiian is a pay loss. How does this make sense?
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So Skywest’s pay went up to $90 first year FO. Coming to Hawaiian is a pay loss. How does this make sense?
Because there’s more to an airline career than 1st year pay?
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So Skywest’s pay went up to $90 first year FO. Coming to Hawaiian is a pay loss. How does this make sense?
Factor in the 10k bonus
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