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05-04-2022, 08:13 PM
#261
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: CL65 El Capitano
Posts: 393
With Hawaiian's projection of pilots in the future, it's going to be really hard to attract decent quality pilots. There will always be the locals that want to work for Hawaiian, but will there be enough locals to fill the amount of spots required? I don't think so, especially with a revolving door in the bottom 1/3.
The best way to attract new pilots besides having a growing fleet is a new base. Hawaiian is going to have to appeal to pilots that don't want to live in Hawaii. Whether it's a Socal or NorCal base, having a West coast base and doing trips that are no longer than 2 days seems pretty attractive to me. If things get really desperate, how about having an augmented crew do day trips just like the old days? Now that's a great selling point!!!
But most importantly, Hawaiian has to start with having a great industry leading contract.
The best way to attract new pilots besides having a growing fleet is a new base. Hawaiian is going to have to appeal to pilots that don't want to live in Hawaii. Whether it's a Socal or NorCal base, having a West coast base and doing trips that are no longer than 2 days seems pretty attractive to me. If things get really desperate, how about having an augmented crew do day trips just like the old days? Now that's a great selling point!!!
But most importantly, Hawaiian has to start with having a great industry leading contract.
05-04-2022, 09:39 PM
#262
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,476
We are not going to have an industry leading contract. Management has always been way behind the curve and I don't see anything that shows anything different in the future,
The first year pay has been increased, but everyone is hiring now and we have likely lost many good candidates in the past few years due to the low pay.
The first year pay has been increased, but everyone is hiring now and we have likely lost many good candidates in the past few years due to the low pay.
05-04-2022, 10:05 PM
#263
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 92
We are not going to have an industry leading contract. Management has always been way behind the curve and I don't see anything that shows anything different in the future,
The first year pay has been increased, but everyone is hiring now and we have likely lost many good candidates in the past few years due to the low pay.
The first year pay has been increased, but everyone is hiring now and we have likely lost many good candidates in the past few years due to the low pay.
05-05-2022, 07:29 AM
#266
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 225
Oh, if anyone is listening, an OGG base will make things WORSE. Yes, it will be great for the people already living there, but talk about LESS crashpad and housing options. Yeah, you can commute to OGG, but where are you going to stay? There are a LOT more options on Oahu. BTW, Maui doesn't want more people.
IMHO, the pilot shortage might be our only chance to get this fixed. Nothing to see here. My money is on hiring foreign visa pilots and people with ink wet still temporary copies of their ATP certificate before a mainland base is considered. Read: No time soon. If you apply, plan on moving to Hawaii or commuting for most of your career. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of us make either option work.
As someone else mentioned, even IF we get a mainland base, unless it is HUGE it will go senior. A new hire will still get stuck in Hawaii. A mainland base would have to be large enough to where someone junior could hold it out of training or at least after the first year or two.
Not trying to be a downer, I'm just passing out the reality pills. Short of a buyout/merger or massive corporate restructure, it's not going to happen. Cheers.
05-05-2022, 12:55 PM
#267
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 428
Because "I get to live in Hawaii" is a selling point to over 1/2 of the pilot group and potential applicants. We're like EVERY other industry in Hawaii. A person working in corporate _______ will make a a lot more money in a place like NY or CA due to the high cost of living. That same person working the same field will stake a pay CUT to come to Hawaii. It's the "paradise tax". Yeah, we pay less but you get to live in Hawaii. *Government* jobs and civilian contracts are the exception as they have cost of living factored in. Most corporate gigs do not. The job in HNL will pay less than the same job in LAX.
Oh, if anyone is listening, an OGG base will make things WORSE. Yes, it will be great for the people already living there, but talk about LESS crashpad and housing options. Yeah, you can commute to OGG, but where are you going to stay? There are a LOT more options on Oahu. BTW, Maui doesn't want more people.
IMHO, the pilot shortage might be our only chance to get this fixed. Nothing to see here. My money is on hiring foreign visa pilots and people with ink wet still temporary copies of their ATP certificate before a mainland base is considered. Read: No time soon. If you apply, plan on moving to Hawaii or commuting for most of your career. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of us make either option work.
As someone else mentioned, even IF we get a mainland base, unless it is HUGE it will go senior. A new hire will still get stuck in Hawaii. A mainland base would have to be large enough to where someone junior could hold it out of training or at least after the first year or two.
Not trying to be a downer, I'm just passing out the reality pills. Short of a buyout/merger or massive corporate restructure, it's not going to happen. Cheers.
Oh, if anyone is listening, an OGG base will make things WORSE. Yes, it will be great for the people already living there, but talk about LESS crashpad and housing options. Yeah, you can commute to OGG, but where are you going to stay? There are a LOT more options on Oahu. BTW, Maui doesn't want more people.
IMHO, the pilot shortage might be our only chance to get this fixed. Nothing to see here. My money is on hiring foreign visa pilots and people with ink wet still temporary copies of their ATP certificate before a mainland base is considered. Read: No time soon. If you apply, plan on moving to Hawaii or commuting for most of your career. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of us make either option work.
As someone else mentioned, even IF we get a mainland base, unless it is HUGE it will go senior. A new hire will still get stuck in Hawaii. A mainland base would have to be large enough to where someone junior could hold it out of training or at least after the first year or two.
Not trying to be a downer, I'm just passing out the reality pills. Short of a buyout/merger or massive corporate restructure, it's not going to happen. Cheers.
05-05-2022, 02:36 PM
#269
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 225
Again, I hope I'm wrong being a LAX guy but I do not see a SoCal base in our future. I'd be the happiest guy on property if this happened but I will not hold my breath. PLEASE prove me wrong. OK, I'll shut up now. Good luck to us all.
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