Time to Jump ship from Hawaiian?
03-09-2019, 08:20 PM
#131
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Well let’s assume for a second that the unionized Hawaiian construction force is the fearsome force of nature you think it is. Do you really think SWA has gotten this far into the process without a plan for gate space? No, really? I know the play it by the seat of your pants image of Herb’s airline is still nominally pushed, but do you really think they haven’t already explored the possibilities and don’t have solutions waiting to be implemented? That they’ve taken a step this far and haven’t consulted with officials and companies about permitting, the construction process and objective realities of airport expansion a couple of thousand miles off the mainland?
Maybe they won’t be able to get concrete or asphalt. Give me a break.
Maybe they won’t be able to get concrete or asphalt. Give me a break.
03-09-2019, 10:40 PM
#133
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The overarching point that keeps zipping past you is that they probability already have plans in place to address the issue and that they’ve already fleshed out the process with the key players. And they have a lot of money to throw at it to make it happen quickly if they so choose.
When I say give me a break with regard to asphalt I’m rolling my eyes at the thought that they’re not already 10 steps beyond that kind of a hiccup.
What zipped past you is that: 1) We don’t like this any more than you do, in fact we wish very much that things could be done in Hawaii in the way you imagine. If it did, we’d have good roads, schools and reliable electricity, which we don’t. No one is saying that the difficulty WN could face building infrastructure is a good thing, we’re just describing the objective reality we’ve observed and discussed with generations of family and close friends that are contractors, civil engineers, state functionaries, etc. 2) You’re using the same logic that kills a visitor on average once a week here: “I’m a strong swimmer, the water looks great, what a beautiful day!”
03-10-2019, 10:47 AM
#136
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What zipped past you is that: 1) We don’t like this any more than you do, in fact we wish very much that things could be done in Hawaii in the way you imagine. If it did, we’d have good roads, schools and reliable electricity, which we don’t. No one is saying that the difficulty WN could face building infrastructure is a good thing, we’re just describing the objective reality we’ve observed and discussed with generations of family and close friends that are contractors, civil engineers, state functionaries, etc. 2) You’re using the same logic that kills a visitor on average once a week here: “I’m a strong swimmer, the water looks great, what a beautiful day!”
It’s why I said island time is island time wherever you go. Whether it’s actually building, renting, increasing frequency or whatever doesn’t matter. SWA has already considered the solution to this problem and has a plan in place or they suddenly got stupid as an organization. I don’t put much faith in the latter at this time.
It’s really simple, I think HA will have to pivot to face this threat. Probably partner up with someone. I don’t think “the experience” carries nearly as much weight as some of you hope when it comes to economy seats, that SWA will put price pressure on you once they get this up and running or market themselves in a way to put price pressure on you, and likely already has a good start on the gate space situation.
It’s all half a$$ed conjecture as I have had several times, and the same holds true for your opinions on the islands. I doubt this plays out exactly as anyone envisions, and I’m certainly not rooting for HA to fail. I’d much rather look at those pretty flowers and lady on the tail than that Abe Lincoln looking Eskimo I usually see near your gates, but the wolf is in the hen house. They may stay content to let be. Lord knows they could make a run on us and put a real crimp in our business if they wanted, but largely don’t for now.
The “tool” and “fool” posters can feel free to squat on the nearest pineapple.
03-10-2019, 11:07 AM
#137
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Not necessarily. When faced with an onslaught from Delta starting in '13, AS was forced out of their comfort zone and increased service, hiring and purchased more a/c. HI is a pretty big slice of AS' pie and I doubt they'll just give it up. I guess only time will tell but I think the market is big enough for all companies to make money.
03-10-2019, 11:53 AM
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03-10-2019, 12:06 PM
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As for the pineapple comment, I didn’t see you name call, but if I missed it then it applies. I’m having a discussion. Others are calling names. You decide who better fits their mother’s basement.
Good luck.
03-10-2019, 12:15 PM
#140
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Look, the local DOT, contractors etc on tropical islands holding their own populace and those who wish to invest and build on those islands hostage with their sloth and incompetence isn’t something unique to Hawaii just as people drowning in the ocean even though they think they are strong swimmers happens virtually evereywhere there’s a beach.
It’s all half a$$ed conjecture
It’s all half a$$ed conjecture
Indeed...
Way Too Many Tourists Are Dying In Hawaii
"Hawaii’s rate of drownings per visitor (5.7 per 1 million visitors) is 13 times the national average, according to Civil Beat, and 10 times the drowning rate for Hawaii residents. It dwarfs the visitor-drowning rate of other beach states, including Florida, where there are 0.9 drownings per 1 million visitors."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b096e9f09197c9
Last time I'm feeding this guy.
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