kingairfun

One fault with your theory... Hawaiian isn't more expensive! I proved that a few pages back

Hawaiian 5O

Correct. I’ve been saying the same thing and even contradicted myself there. Thank you for bringing it up. Keep up the great work on your end! Your posts have been 100% spot on.

I’m out. I Have a rare weekend day off. Going to go put my toes in the surf.

FNGFO

Well let’s assume for a second that the unionized Hawaiian construction force is the fearsome force of nature you think it is. Do you really think SWA has gotten this far into the process without a plan for gate space? No, really? I know the play it by the seat of your pants image of Herb’s airline is still nominally pushed, but do you really think they haven’t already explored the possibilities and don’t have solutions waiting to be implemented? That they’ve taken a step this far and haven’t consulted with officials and companies about permitting, the construction process and objective realities of airport expansion a couple of thousand miles off the mainland?

Maybe they won’t be able to get concrete or asphalt. Give me a break.

at6d

I was impressed by how fast our new buildings went up in Dallas. Pretty wild.

Hawaiian 5O

Like with the construction equipment and workers, it would have to be shipped in from the mainland.

In this case, don’t be surprised if the union workers refused to unload the ships, leaving said equipment and concrete stuck in the harbor. What, is all of that equipment going to be flown out here in Boeing-guppies?

Please, stop before you make a complete fool out of yourself. You have no idea what it’s like out here.

Nextera Energy is a multibillion dollar fortune 200 company that tried to come out here and show the locals how things worked. They were sent packing back to the mainland with their tail stuck between their legs.

They presented a good business model that would’ve brought a lot of good things to the island chain. At the end of the day, it didn’t matter because it would’ve upset the pineapple cart. The residents revolted against it and kept their high power rates and antiquated infrastructure as opposed to overturning the pineapple cart.

FNGFO

Ok. I posited one possibility. And you’re having trouble expanding on the other avenues of approach. I don’t know what they’re going to do. It may be cirque du solei styled tents or Temple of doom like carts and tracks.

The overarching point that keeps zipping past you is that they probability already have plans in place to address the issue and that they’ve already fleshed out the process with the key players. And they have a lot of money to throw at it to make it happen quickly if they so choose.

When I say give me a break with regard to asphalt I’m rolling my eyes at the thought that they’re not already 10 steps beyond that kind of a hiccup.

av8tor55

Gentlemen(or ladies?). Let’s not get our undergarments in a wad. I would be less surprised at WN announcing that the are acquiring HA than if they were going to finance the new Diamond Head terminal. WN hasn’t experienced the success it’s had by making poor business decisions. HA only paid for the corrections to the new maintenance hangar when they were allowed to offset the rent. Even HA wouldn’t front the capital to build the Mauka terminal expansion. Dedicated gates can be had by any airline willing to pay the fee. You would see WN with dedicated gates well before they even thought of getting involved with the State DOT quagmire.

flysnoopy76

I think you can guarantee Alaska will begin pulling flights, it’s our strategy, shrink to success.

KnockKnock

Not necessarily. When faced with an onslaught from Delta starting in '13, AS was forced out of their comfort zone and increased service, hiring and purchased more a/c. HI is a pretty big slice of AS' pie and I doubt they'll just give it up. I guess only time will tell but I think the market is big enough for all companies to make money.

sidestep

Everyone can tell you this until they are blue in the face, but Hawaii DOES NOT OPERATE like any other state in the US. You (and swa leadership) can not understand until you live there. Period. Hawaii state commerce operates like a 3rd world country - only one where you can’t payoff leaders. It’s quite the paradox.

Hawaiian’s hanger took like 4 years to finish - a HANGER! And If you don’t think Hawaiian’s management doesn’t know which ‘wheels to grease’ you’re wrong.
Google Oahu rail and Hawaii’s Superferry to get a better understanding of Hawaii’s affliction to new intrastate transportation. The place is a nightmare for businesses.