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Old 01-13-2016, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
A G19 is an excellent choice, but far less concealable than a G43. How does a G43 come up short?
Capacity... Unless you're training quite a bit your most likely going to miss at least a time or two if not more. If you add into the fact that this person could be under the influence it may take more hits to end the threat then what's left in the gun, especially when shot placement is under the most stressful conditions he/she may face.
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Old 01-14-2016, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Capacity... Unless you're training quite a bit your most likely going to miss at least a time or two if not more. If you add into the fact that this person could be under the influence it may take more hits to end the threat then what's left in the gun, especially when shot placement is under the most stressful conditions he/she may face.
Last time I checked, the numbers don't support that. If you don't hit them in the first 3-4 rounds, you aren't going to do any better by sending more rounds downrange. Remember how limited in range a handgun really is in real life. Yeah, when you can stop, sit for a while, aim, breathe, you might be able to hit a 50yd target at the range, but in real life? A handgun is for shooting across a room or a distance not much greater than.
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Last time I checked, the numbers don't support that. If you don't hit them in the first 3-4 rounds, you aren't going to do any better by sending more rounds downrange. Remember how limited in range a handgun really is in real life. Yeah, when you can stop, sit for a while, aim, breathe, you might be able to hit a 50yd target at the range, but in real life? A handgun is for shooting across a room or a distance not much greater than.
Agreed. Something something 21 foot something rule something something........as an example.
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Old 01-14-2016, 07:51 AM
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Agreed. Something something 21 foot something rule something something........as an example.
My CCW qualification was all at 7 yds.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:34 AM
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My CCW qualification was all at 7 yds.
Your CCW class was in a zero stress environment and focused on you hitting a stationary paper target, your results would be vastly different in real life should you need to use it.
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
If you don't hit them in the first 3-4 rounds, you aren't going to do any better by sending more rounds downrange. Remember how limited in range a handgun really is in real life. Yeah, when you can stop, sit for a while, aim, breathe, you might be able to hit a 50yd target at the range, but in real life? A handgun is for shooting across a room or a distance not much greater than.
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My CCW qualification was all at 7 yds.
Of course.

Did you have your pistol stashed in your flight suit, in a seated position, and potentially have to draw/shoot from offside as a (simulated) amped up meth head/drunk was charging you?

As James alludes to, what are you gonna go?

"hold on drunk/angry/stoned person, STOP till I can stand up, square off, and draw my pistol from the onside/familiar/dominant BEFORE you come at me"
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Your CCW class was in a zero stress environment and focused on you hitting a stationary paper target, your results would be vastly different in real life should you need to use it.
Well...yes...I was just supporting the point that trying to hit something far away in that situation is pointless for Joe/Jane Citizen in such a situation. After all, 7 yds = 21 ft.

If someone were trying to shoot somebody at a long range, there COULD be an issue (not all scenarios) with justifying an imminent threat.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Last time I checked, the numbers don't support that. If you don't hit them in the first 3-4 rounds, you aren't going to do any better by sending more rounds downrange. Remember how limited in range a handgun really is in real life. Yeah, when you can stop, sit for a while, aim, breathe, you might be able to hit a 50yd target at the range, but in real life? A handgun is for shooting across a room or a distance not much greater than.
I don't know what numbers you're talking about regardless the reality is most people in this thread and in real life couldn't consistently hit a slow moving paper target at the range with a distance of say 7-10 feet. If you want to take a risk on a gun of that capacity by all means go ahead, but I'm certainly not.
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Originally Posted by deadstick35
Well...yes...I was just supporting the point that trying to hit something far away in that situation is pointless for Joe/Jane Citizen in such a situation. After all, 7 yds = 21 ft.

If someone were trying to shoot somebody at a long range, there COULD be an issue (not all scenarios) with justifying an imminent threat.
I never said anything about shooting a target at distance with a handgun in fact that's probably a great way to go to jail over killing someone who wasn't an immediate threat.
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Originally Posted by John Carr

As James alludes to, what are you gonna go?

"hold on drunk/angry/stoned person, STOP till I can stand up, square off, and draw my pistol from the onside/familiar/dominant BEFORE you come at me"
Of course not, the average CCW'er is going to struggle in a rush and just keep discharging until the gun is empty and hope that the threat is eliminated or fleeing.
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