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Old 10-10-2014, 02:35 PM
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Anyone know Auburn Calloway prior to flight 705? What was he like?
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Old 10-10-2014, 07:52 PM
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That's kind of a creepy/weird question to ask. You know he isn't very popular among pilots, right? He was a terrorist.
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Inquiring minds want to know.

Yup, never read the book.
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Originally Posted by FlyingBulldog
That's kind of a creepy/weird question to ask. You know he isn't very popular among pilots, right? He was a terrorist.
He was absolutely NOT a terrorist. We need to back away from this mentality of calling anyone we don't like a "terrorist". I get seriously concerned every time I hear about some mayberry police dept. charging someone with "terrorist threats" for a domestic violence situation.

Terrorism is as much about motive as action...an intent to disrupt/destabilize society through wide-spread fear is terrorism. If you're committing a violent act for personal gain (or personal reasons against specific victims) that already falls under mundane criminal laws of which we have plenty. Of course if the level reaches a certain threshold, it could reasonably qualify as terrorism...ie somebody sets off a nuke to crash the stock market so he can personally gain from short-selling.

The danger of branding everything and everybody as terrorism is that we do, in fact, need some extraordinary measures to suppress terrorism. If everybody is a terrorist, then either...

1. Everybody is subject to extraordinary measures, or
2. We are so concerned with everyone's rights that we eliminate the extraordinary measures needed to combat real terrorists in the interest of protecting the rights of mundane criminals.

Calloway was trying to commit suicide, while incidentally murdering the witnesses. His goal was to trigger an insurance payout for his family. The absolute last thing on earth he was going to do would be to use the airplane for a 9/11-style attack...that would remove all doubt about suicide and any chance of insurance.
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^^^^ That, and crash the jet into the hub, taking out even more people and putting a dent in company operations. He wasn't going to crash it in the middle of nowhere. He wasn't depressed. He was angry and wanted revenge. IMHO.
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As the above poster mentioned, I'd say he was "borderline terrorist" because he did apparently intend to fly the plane right into the FDX sort building. Anyone who doesn't see a few common traits with some other terrorists there isn't looking hard enough!
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^^^^ That, and crash the jet into the hub, taking out even more people and putting a dent in company operations. He wasn't going to crash it in the middle of nowhere. He wasn't depressed. He was angry and wanted revenge. IMHO.
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As the above poster mentioned, I'd say he was "borderline terrorist" because he did apparently intend to fly the plane right into the FDX sort building. Anyone who doesn't see a few common traits with some other terrorists there isn't looking hard enough!
My understanding was that he wanted insurance money...that's the story that was publicly circulated. If he intended to crash it into the hub then that's closer to terrorism but still not quite there IMO. It was for personal reasons (revenge), not to disrupt society in general. If he was going to crash it into the State Capitol, that would probably be terrorism.
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That's cute, we would all like a little insurance money, but how many would attempt to murder dozens of people, commit air piracy and destroy buildings in the process.

Calloway was a disturbed individual with deep resentment of his company and his fellow employees, he was also a murderous little thug.

Not much different than the average terrorist, just less organized.
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That's cute, we would all like a little insurance money, but how many would attempt to murder dozens of people, commit air piracy and destroy buildings in the process.

Calloway was a disturbed individual with deep resentment of his company and his fellow employees, he was also a murderous little thug.

Not much different than the average terrorist, just less organized.

Oh yeah, first rate turd no doubt.
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Aches on a Plane ? Damn Interesting


He wasn't playing with a full deck if he believed the insurance was going to pay out given the evidence he left in his home.
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