The Pitchforks Are Coming...For Us Plutocrats
07-01-2014, 11:43 AM
#21
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Hint: Plutocrats have rigged the system so the 99+% of the US population no longer have the disposable income that kept the economy growing during the 1950s, 60s, and 70s.
The light airplane market is one that even pilots should understand. Cessna Aircraft built and sold 12,254 C172 aircraft during years 1962-1972. During those eleven years the production rate average was 1114 with the 1966 high year with 1597 produced and the 1970 low year with 759. Give the fact that the US population has grown 30% since then I would expect a much improved number. The two most recent years available show that the C172 is still manufactured but the
production number is not the 1962-72 average of 1114 + 30%. Production has dropped 90% with 113 built in 2012, and 106 built in 2013.
The sad fact is in the days Cessna had customers with enough money to buy a C172 most households had one income, not the two that we consider normal today.
The light airplane market is one that even pilots should understand. Cessna Aircraft built and sold 12,254 C172 aircraft during years 1962-1972. During those eleven years the production rate average was 1114 with the 1966 high year with 1597 produced and the 1970 low year with 759. Give the fact that the US population has grown 30% since then I would expect a much improved number. The two most recent years available show that the C172 is still manufactured but the
production number is not the 1962-72 average of 1114 + 30%. Production has dropped 90% with 113 built in 2012, and 106 built in 2013.
The sad fact is in the days Cessna had customers with enough money to buy a C172 most households had one income, not the two that we consider normal today.
If you've got food, shelter, iPhones and plasma TVs, does it matter if your neighbor has a Cessna?
In a free system when your neighbor succeeds (maybe buys a Cessna), you are free to emulate the things that worked for him.
You forgot to add that the government programs that were sold to the American people as a "War on Poverty" have now created generations of people who not only do not work, but don't know anyone who has ever worked. They have created a culture where getting up in the morning and going to work to earn your money to pay for a home and food and the necessities of life - as well as the luxuries - is completely foreign. When it all started welfare paid for basic necessities. Now that it has gone on for 50 years, what used to be "basic necessities" is now paying for luxuries that many middle class people either can't afford or choose not to spend money on, like smartphones. The poor in Africa are literally starving. The "poor" here have an obesity epidemic. Every year the government adjusts the "poverty line" - a completely arbitrary number - upward so they can designate more and more people as "poor" and pretend that taking more and more money from the rest of us is the solution. The poor in this country live better than many in the middle class in Europe, if you consider their cars, the square footage of their apartments, their TV sets, etc.
The whole concept of "income inequality" implies that there should be some sort of "income EQUALITY." This is a completely false premise. Even in a Communist state, there is no "income equality." The rich keep theirs and take more from the rest, who all live in squalor.
07-01-2014, 12:05 PM
#22
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I dig how people can't look at the economy without defaulting to politics.
Interesting.
Sure we can go there.
Democrats: middle out economics, sure whatever.
Republican: trickle down economics, riiiiiiight.
In either case the money change hands.
You can make it but you must spend it and when you don't spend it the economy takes the hit.
It is very simple yet very involved in application. It is detailed and nuanced, to have a true economic debate while clad in a particular parties colors is obscenely stupid.
Interesting.
Sure we can go there.
Democrats: middle out economics, sure whatever.
Republican: trickle down economics, riiiiiiight.
In either case the money change hands.
You can make it but you must spend it and when you don't spend it the economy takes the hit.
It is very simple yet very involved in application. It is detailed and nuanced, to have a true economic debate while clad in a particular parties colors is obscenely stupid.
WW
07-01-2014, 12:10 PM
#23
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Hint: Plutocrats have rigged the system so the 99+% of the US population no longer have the disposable income that kept the economy growing during the 1950s, 60s, and 70s.
The light airplane market is one that even pilots should understand. Cessna Aircraft built and sold 12,254 C172 aircraft during years 1962-1972. During those eleven years the production rate average was 1114 with the 1966 high year with 1597 produced and the 1970 low year with 759. Give the fact that the US population has grown 30% since then I would expect a much improved number. The two most recent years available show that the C172 is still manufactured but the production number is not the 1962-72 average of 1114 + 30%. Production has dropped 90% with 113 built in 2012, and 106 built in 2013.
The sad fact is in the days Cessna had customers with enough money to buy a C172 most households had one income, not the two that we consider normal today.
The light airplane market is one that even pilots should understand. Cessna Aircraft built and sold 12,254 C172 aircraft during years 1962-1972. During those eleven years the production rate average was 1114 with the 1966 high year with 1597 produced and the 1970 low year with 759. Give the fact that the US population has grown 30% since then I would expect a much improved number. The two most recent years available show that the C172 is still manufactured but the production number is not the 1962-72 average of 1114 + 30%. Production has dropped 90% with 113 built in 2012, and 106 built in 2013.
The sad fact is in the days Cessna had customers with enough money to buy a C172 most households had one income, not the two that we consider normal today.
WW
07-01-2014, 12:11 PM
#24
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This is true, in a very real sense there are two economies; one based on generating real wealth through the production of goods and services and one based on confiscation, debt generation and obfuscation-the Potemkin economy.
One always succeeds and one always fails. Mean time between failures is dependent on the ability to float public debt.
07-01-2014, 12:30 PM
#25
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Wealth to purchase a Cessna is not income.
If you've got food, shelter, iPhones and plasma TVs, does it matter if your neighbor has a Cessna?
In a free system when your neighbor succeeds (maybe buys a Cessna), you are free to emulate the things that worked for him.
You forgot to add that the government programs that were sold to the American people as a "War on Poverty" have now created generations of people who not only do not work, but don't know anyone who has ever worked. They have created a culture where getting up in the morning and going to work to earn your money to pay for a home and food and the necessities of life - as well as the luxuries - is completely foreign. When it all started welfare paid for basic necessities. Now that it has gone on for 50 years, what used to be "basic necessities" is now paying for luxuries that many middle class people either can't afford or choose not to spend money on, like smartphones. The poor in Africa are literally starving. The "poor" here have an obesity epidemic. Every year the government adjusts the "poverty line" - a completely arbitrary number - upward so they can designate more and more people as "poor" and pretend that taking more and more money from the rest of us is the solution. The poor in this country live better than many in the middle class in Europe, if you consider their cars, the square footage of their apartments, their TV sets, etc.
The whole concept of "income inequality" implies that there should be some sort of "income EQUALITY." This is a completely false premise. Even in a Communist state, there is no "income equality." The rich keep theirs and take more from the rest, who all live in squalor.
If you've got food, shelter, iPhones and plasma TVs, does it matter if your neighbor has a Cessna?
In a free system when your neighbor succeeds (maybe buys a Cessna), you are free to emulate the things that worked for him.
You forgot to add that the government programs that were sold to the American people as a "War on Poverty" have now created generations of people who not only do not work, but don't know anyone who has ever worked. They have created a culture where getting up in the morning and going to work to earn your money to pay for a home and food and the necessities of life - as well as the luxuries - is completely foreign. When it all started welfare paid for basic necessities. Now that it has gone on for 50 years, what used to be "basic necessities" is now paying for luxuries that many middle class people either can't afford or choose not to spend money on, like smartphones. The poor in Africa are literally starving. The "poor" here have an obesity epidemic. Every year the government adjusts the "poverty line" - a completely arbitrary number - upward so they can designate more and more people as "poor" and pretend that taking more and more money from the rest of us is the solution. The poor in this country live better than many in the middle class in Europe, if you consider their cars, the square footage of their apartments, their TV sets, etc.
The whole concept of "income inequality" implies that there should be some sort of "income EQUALITY." This is a completely false premise. Even in a Communist state, there is no "income equality." The rich keep theirs and take more from the rest, who all live in squalor.
“A House Divided: Two Americas
Over the past three decades, we have become Two Americas. We are no longer one large American family with shared prosperity and shared political and economic power, as we were in the decades following World War II. Today, no common enemy unites us as a nation. No common enterprise like settling the West or rocketing to the moon inspires us as a people.
We are today a sharply divided country—divided by power, money, and ideology. Our politics have become rancorous and polarized, our political leaders unable to resolve the most basic problems. Constant conflict has replaced a sense of common purpose and the pursuit of the common welfare. Not just in Washington, but across the nation, the fault lines that divide us run deep, and they are profoundly self-destructive, unless we can find our way to some new unity and consensus.
Abraham Lincoln gave us fair warning. “A house divided against itself,” Lincoln said, “cannot stand.”
Americans sense that something is profoundly wrong—that we have gone off track as a nation. Many skilled observers write about this, but it is hard to grasp exactly how we arrived at our present predicament[…]”
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Over the past three decades, we have become Two Americas. We are no longer one large American family with shared prosperity and shared political and economic power, as we were in the decades following World War II. Today, no common enemy unites us as a nation. No common enterprise like settling the West or rocketing to the moon inspires us as a people.
We are today a sharply divided country—divided by power, money, and ideology. Our politics have become rancorous and polarized, our political leaders unable to resolve the most basic problems. Constant conflict has replaced a sense of common purpose and the pursuit of the common welfare. Not just in Washington, but across the nation, the fault lines that divide us run deep, and they are profoundly self-destructive, unless we can find our way to some new unity and consensus.
Abraham Lincoln gave us fair warning. “A house divided against itself,” Lincoln said, “cannot stand.”
Americans sense that something is profoundly wrong—that we have gone off track as a nation. Many skilled observers write about this, but it is hard to grasp exactly how we arrived at our present predicament[…]”
Excerpt From: Smith, Hedrick. “Who Stole the American Dream?.” Random House Trade Paperbacks, 2013-08-27. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.
Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/...k?id=511693285
07-01-2014, 12:35 PM
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Foxhunter, that is the kind of utter drivel that can never answer a single simple question.
I noticed you couldn't answer my simple question and your boy Smith cleverly chose not to answer.
There is a deep divide:fantasy and reality.
I noticed you couldn't answer my simple question and your boy Smith cleverly chose not to answer.
There is a deep divide:fantasy and reality.
07-01-2014, 12:36 PM
#27
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07-01-2014, 12:38 PM
#28
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We don't make anything anymore, the things we do make like houses are made by illegal aliens. Of course there was more money in the 50s and 60s. I don't know who you think the plutocrats are but they, like you, support big government. It is easier to regulate your way out of competition than it is to innovate your way.
07-01-2014, 12:56 PM
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That is all in can think of off the top of my head--I am sure there are others.
WW
07-01-2014, 01:03 PM
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Fuel costs. Zoning by local governments. Airport closures. Government taxes and fees. Ubiquity of airline seats. Automobile safety and efficiency improvements/dollar vs the same in GA aircraft. FAA regulatory burden. Tort claims.
That is all in can think of off the top of my head--I am sure there are others.
WW
That is all in can think of off the top of my head--I am sure there are others.
WW
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