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Old 06-17-2014, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by atpwannabe
I don't know if I agree with you on that KC10FATboy...and I'll tell you why. Just "Googled"..."list of private security firms that provide security in Iraq" and I must have gotten 50-75 results with 90% of those firms having stateside addresses. These outfits can be used to neutralize strategic targets and conduct surgical eliminations.

I believe that there are more "private security firms/mercenary outfits that are U.S. based out there than the general public realizes. JMO.


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That option would open a huge bag of worms that none of us could predict...You have non-state actors, sponsored/financed by the US, killing citizens/terrorists of another country...IN that country...I think that the UN, the world community and IRAQ would have just a little heartburn about that, especially considering the scale that would be involved. We had/have contractors in this AOR for decades, performing security operations, not offensive combat operations.
If we have to go back there with ground forces, they will be US military, not contractors, that would be a non-starter for all the reasons I stated and about 100 others!
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:06 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks sending 200+ GI's to Iraq to help, has "Alamo" written all over it.
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Old 06-17-2014, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by atpwannabe
I don't know if I agree with you on that KC10FATboy...and I'll tell you why. Just "Googled"..."list of private security firms that provide security in Iraq" and I must have gotten 50-75 results with 90% of those firms having stateside addresses. These outfits can be used to neutralize strategic targets and conduct surgical eliminations.

I believe that there are more "private security firms/mercenary outfits that are U.S. based out there than the general public realizes. JMO.


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Just a guess, but you have zero military experience and don't really understand the strategy, tactics or logistics required to go into hostile territory; kill or run off large numbers of hostiles and maintain control of the real estate.

Private security firms have flourished because it is incredibly expensive to fund large standing modern military organizations.

The current situation is likely to end in a long struggle between various tribes and whose invisible man is best, but it is really about money and power for those running the various factions. They just want to carve up their little piece of the pie, and if oil goes up in the meantime they all profit more.

I don't think the Saudis, Kuwait, or Iran would be heartbroken over a spike in oil prices and if it can be gained by cheaply arming 6,000-12,000 savages and turning them loose all the better.

Creating chaos is easy and inexpensive, creating order is difficult and very costly.

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Old 06-17-2014, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by atpwannabe
I don't know if I agree with you on that KC10FATboy...and I'll tell you why. Just "Googled"..."list of private security firms that provide security in Iraq" and I must have gotten 50-75 results with 90% of those firms having stateside addresses. These outfits can be used to neutralize strategic targets and conduct surgical eliminations.

I believe that there are more "private security firms/mercenary outfits that are U.S. based out there than the general public realizes. JMO.


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Jungle said it best. But I'd like to ad, private security firms and Spec Ops are two totally different things. One is meant to secure and protect, while the other is mean to be the most lethal, light, and invisible killing machine ever created.
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Jungle said it best. But I'd like to ad, private security firms and Spec Ops are two totally different things. One is meant to secure and protect, while the other is mean to be the most lethal, light, and invisible killing machine ever created.
Correct, but much of that lethal effect comes from the huge amount of support from conventional forces, intel, and support weapons.

These are assets even the best of private security cannot field.
They aren't going to get dedicated satellite support, a carrier or airstrikes to underline their point.

A very good example of SpecOPs is the series of "accidents" that have happened to Iran's nuclear program over the past few years. Whodunnit?

Some of us have been watching too many movies, maybe they think Chuck Norris could just come in and throw a roundhouse.

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Old 06-18-2014, 12:40 AM
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
SOCOM/JSOC entities are a scalpel not a hammer. They were never intended, or trained to carry out long term, high optempo, continuous operations. Each entity has a specialty. Think of the spec ops community as a very expensive tool box, of very very specialized, very expensive tools. You can't just stamp them out like you can say pilots.

To repel an invading force (say ISIS in Baghdad), you need a sledge hammer. Mechanized Army brigade or even a Marine MEU. You roll in, stomp their guts out, kill everyone, then leave. We won't do that though...
Why do you have to 'roll in' ?

How about 'death from above'?

We have the technology, (drones) use it!
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:55 PM
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Why do you have to 'roll in' ?

How about 'death from above'?

We have the technology, (drones) use it!
Now that's what I'm talking about. A little Special Forces/Drone sandwich for ISIS should satisfy this afternoons cravings.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:51 PM
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Nice Iraqi girl story.
Too many haters in the world.
99% of the people on earth want to live their lives in peace.
It's the 1%(the OTHER 1%) that are interested in violence and subjugation.

When different peoples meet, they often realize how similar they are.

Mark Twain:
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely...
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:50 PM
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That's why that 1% needs to be neutralized or things will never change for the long term betterment of us all.
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