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Old 06-19-2014, 07:57 PM
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I've been catching some of these because it's on when I go to the gym.

Pretty good series.
It brings back a lot of painful memories.

I see history repeating itself today with Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWwgrjjIMXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2UBQX7fwBQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyzUIEW-Q5E
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:44 PM
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Shortly after 9-11, I did some reading, to try to figure out why they hate the West so much.

In my search for answers, I came across this book:
What Went Wrong?: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East: Bernard Lewis: 9780060516055: Amazon.com: Books

I highly recommend it, if you are still wondering 'what went wrong'.

From the review:

"For centuries, the world of Islam was in the forefront of human achievement -- the foremost military and economic power in the world, the leader in the arts and sciences of civilization. Christian Europe was seen as an outer darkness of barbarism and unbelief from which there was nothing to learn or to fear. And then everything changed. The West won victory after victory, first on the battlefield and then in the marketplace.

In this elegantly written volume, Bernard Lewis, a renowned authority an Islamic affairs, examines the anguished reaction of the Islamic world as it tried to make sense of how it had been overtaken, overshadowed, and dominated by the West. In a fascinating portrait of a culture in turmoil, Lewis shows how the Middle East turned its attention to understanding European weaponry, industry, government, education, and culture. He also describes how some Middle Easterners fastened blame on a series of scapegoats, while others asked not "Who did this to us?" but rather "Where did we go wrong?"

With a new Afterword that addresses September 11 and its aftermath, What Went Wrong? is an urgent, accessible book that no one who is concerned with contemporary affairs will want to miss."
Pardon me for being trite, but even should you grant the Islamic world its meager share of middle-ages scientific and mathematical discoveries, one must ask them "what have you done lately?"
Algebra and Arabic Numerals? Quite possibly also the modern conceptualization of "zero"? They actually came from Persia and India, two countries conquered by the Muslims. Of course they will cut off your head if you attempt to teach those subjects; where's the gain?

Arab scholars have tended to focus solely on their world. They simply have no curiosity about anything other than Islam and their own culture. Just look at the number of Nobel Prizes won by Israelis versus Arabs or other members of Muslim societies.

Islam is not a religion. It is a demented death cult.
There is a difference between a religion which seeks to accentuate man's relationship with God, even when it sometimes is used to justify violence; and a death cult who's central tenets are all about murdering both those inside and outside of the cult.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:00 PM
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In the book, he says 'what went wrong' was, they became religious fanatics. If you 'worshiped' science, over Mohamed, you were to be killed. They view any 'modern' thoughts (medicine, engineering, education, personal wealth, etc.) as a slap in the face to their prophet, Mohamed.

You don't need to get an education, or get a job, or try to better your life, you only need to worship Mohamed...

And if you DO try to better yourself, you must be an Infidel!

Because you should be worshiping Mohamed, not getting an education.
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The other day, a spokesperson for ISIS was quoted to the effect that material advancement is not important, that only religious advancement is. So these fanatics are not only mass murderers but also are opposed to material prosperity. They not only wish to take everyone back to the religion of the Middle Ages, they would be perfectly happy for everyone to wallow in the material standards of living from those times as well. ISIS makes the Iranians look like moderates.

The West is not ready for the ideological struggle involved. Our elites are so invested in the multicultural heresy they are unable, indeed unwilling, to defend the intellectual, philosophical, and religious heritage that made the West. So afraid to hurt someone's feelings, we censor our own. So adverse to disrespecting anyone's culture's intellectual history, we ignore our own. So wary of using our liberty in the face of those viewing such as perversion, we restrict ourselves.

And worse is coming. It has been estimated that, at present birth and immigration rates, Britain will become a majority Muslim state by 2050. Does anyone believe such will not have profound cultural, philosophical, intellectual, and even material effects?

Our ancestors resisted invasion from Muslim conquerors for 1,000 years, then, with enormous sacrifice and mis-steps, created the intellectual and philosophical framework that has lifted billions of peoples of all races, religions, and beliefs from poverty, creating the freest, most prosperous, healthiest society in human history. And we are now busily throwing it away in a generation to the new barbarians because we are too lazy to defend what we are.
This and the following post by STW are spot on.
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This is why it is so important to keep church and state completely separate...if a religious group you don't agree with gets enough political power, and church and state work together, you could have laws passed based on a religion you don't agree with. I don't want to live under sharia law, and I don't want to live under puritan law, and I don't want to live under Jewish law.
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:25 AM
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This is why it is so important to keep church and state completely separate...if a religious group you don't agree with gets enough political power, and church and state work together, you could have laws passed based on a religion you don't agree with. I don't want to live under sharia law, and I don't want to live under puritan law, and I don't want to live under Jewish law.
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
This is why it is so important to keep church and state completely separate...if a religious group you don't agree with gets enough political power, and church and state work together, you could have laws passed based on a religion you don't agree with. I don't want to live under sharia law, and I don't want to live under puritan law, and I don't want to live under Jewish law.
Uh, you do know what the back of our currency, issued by the state, says, yes ?



Just saying...
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:50 AM
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In God we trust-all others must pay cash. They ran out of room engraving the plates.
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:17 AM
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I heard they are going to change it to:

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Originally Posted by atpcliff
This is why it is so important to keep church and state completely separate...if a religious group you don't agree with gets enough political power, and church and state work together, you could have laws passed based on a religion you don't agree with. I don't want to live under sharia law, and I don't want to live under puritan law, and I don't want to live under Jewish law.
The Constitution, as written, did not "separate" religion nor the Church from active participation within and by the Federal "State". It declared only that the Federal Government could not prefer or "establish" one Church or religion to the detriment of another (as many of the existing Colonies/states had done). One of the first actions of Congress was to fund chapels on military posts and chaplains for the military. No "separation" at all, which accounts for the wording of oaths of office and in courts at the time, as well as for benedictions at government gatherings.
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