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01-01-2007, 10:26 AM
#113
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The numbers you use to buttress your argument just don't add up.
Funny that you mention that it's better to enlist in the military rather than go to flight school. I have a kid in Iraq and a kid in flight school right now. Believe me, I've been over the numbers. Your numbers are crap.
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Happy New Year, SH...!!!
01-01-2007, 10:52 AM
#115
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Numbers, not crap
SWA has already essentially lowered their minimums. A year ago your chances of getting a job without a 737 type were less than half of what they are now.
The numbers you use to buttress your argument just don't add up.
Funny that you mention that it's better to enlist in the military rather than go to flight school. I have a kid in Iraq and a kid in flight school right now. Believe me, I've been over the numbers. Your numbers are crap.
The numbers you use to buttress your argument just don't add up.
Funny that you mention that it's better to enlist in the military rather than go to flight school. I have a kid in Iraq and a kid in flight school right now. Believe me, I've been over the numbers. Your numbers are crap.
An Army enlisted soldier has the ability to earn around $1500 per month from day one while all his other needs are paid for and builds towards a retirement. They also can earn bonuses in the form of college funds. Not only can a new soldier actually save every dime of his income of $1500 a month but it is more than what the average regional new hire can expect as a salary after spending a fortune on a wasted college education.
The results are that after 15 years the soldier has only five years to go before retirement while the pilot is just reaching a livable wage, but still has most of his college and flight training to pay off.
SkyHigh
01-01-2007, 11:00 AM
#116
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Demand
You just proved our point with your own article. Now you state that increased demand for pilots does not increase pilot pay, I have to disagree. Especially when I hear the arguement that their is always someone willing to do it for less, or there are too many pilots so the pay will be low.
With a decrease in total pilots, and an increase in air travel for the Majors and Regionals, plus an increase in a new type of flying, the VLJ, it will have these groups in competition for the now smaller pilot group, which would naturally increase pilot pay.
Saying the pay will not grow with an increased demand for a dwindling pilot pool is defying economics.
Further I stil must disagree with the statement that the majority of Private Pilots have career aspirations. I go down to my local FBO, none of the instructors have those aspirations, and a miniority of the students are looking into it, most of the Private Pilots I have seen fly on the side. The majority of people with boating licenses do not have career aspirations in sailing, and it is the same with Private Pilots.
With a decrease in total pilots, and an increase in air travel for the Majors and Regionals, plus an increase in a new type of flying, the VLJ, it will have these groups in competition for the now smaller pilot group, which would naturally increase pilot pay.
Saying the pay will not grow with an increased demand for a dwindling pilot pool is defying economics.
Further I stil must disagree with the statement that the majority of Private Pilots have career aspirations. I go down to my local FBO, none of the instructors have those aspirations, and a miniority of the students are looking into it, most of the Private Pilots I have seen fly on the side. The majority of people with boating licenses do not have career aspirations in sailing, and it is the same with Private Pilots.
The only real requirement is to have a co-signer who is stupid enough to go along with the plan. In fact I am sure that on some ski hill today there is a ski instructor who has convinced himself that he can score more chicks as a pilot and by summer will be wearing a black hat and white shirt. The pay will not go up, the minimums will continue to go down at the regionals.
SkyHigh
As I said before in the future airline jobs will become easy to get because no one will want to do it anymore.
01-01-2007, 11:01 AM
#117
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01-01-2007, 01:26 PM
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http://www.dod.mil/dfas/militarypay/...006updated.pdf
SkyHigh, here's a link to the Mil pay chart for '06 for you to look at, if you so choose. As a first year E-1 your estimate is almost 300 dollars high. And what those charts do not reflect, is that if you choose the G.I. Bill Program, an additional 100 dollars a month is taken as your contribution for your first year.
Yes it's a liveable wage and yes most things are taken care of for you. Like in my previous post stated you can not quit once you enlist. So if you would have decided that the military looked great and joined. And then you decided you didn't like it, your stuck, no quiting like at Horizon.
If some one were on the fence about Military service, I caution them to make sure it is what they want to do, and to give it some serious thought.
Again, I loved my four years, but once they were done, so was I. I grew tired of the constant deployments, and it wasn't even during war time.
Happy New Year
P R
Remember, Stats go both ways. Any one can use a stat to argue thier point, and some one can use the very same one to defend his. I take stats with a grain of salt.
SkyHigh, here's a link to the Mil pay chart for '06 for you to look at, if you so choose. As a first year E-1 your estimate is almost 300 dollars high. And what those charts do not reflect, is that if you choose the G.I. Bill Program, an additional 100 dollars a month is taken as your contribution for your first year.
Yes it's a liveable wage and yes most things are taken care of for you. Like in my previous post stated you can not quit once you enlist. So if you would have decided that the military looked great and joined. And then you decided you didn't like it, your stuck, no quiting like at Horizon.
If some one were on the fence about Military service, I caution them to make sure it is what they want to do, and to give it some serious thought.
Again, I loved my four years, but once they were done, so was I. I grew tired of the constant deployments, and it wasn't even during war time.
Happy New Year
P R
Remember, Stats go both ways. Any one can use a stat to argue thier point, and some one can use the very same one to defend his. I take stats with a grain of salt.
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