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Old 07-14-2013, 02:53 PM
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How does that happen? Do the police not report their findings to the DA, who makes the decision?
Jungle would probably know better, but my understanding is the DA at the time refused to bring the case. They were let go and replaced by someone who would.
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Not weighing in one way or the other BUT where is the outrage from the community activists AND charlatans like Sharpton and Jackson when innocent African-Americans are murdered by other African-Americans in cities such as Chicago at an alarming rate? I guess they don't give a **** about their own people when it's not racially charged. Totally disgusting.
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Jungle, I'm just curious where you get your information from.

I ask because I usually try to get mine from multiple news outlets and really only pay attention to reoccurring facts. I'm fully well aware of media bias and realize how often they "get it wrong", but even with the two pieces of salt I take reports with there is still some semblance of actual information.
A good lie always has some semblance to fact. Most of the facts were not made public until the trial-there was widespread media coverage absent critical facts for a long time prior to the trial.

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How does that happen? Do the police not report their findings to the DA, who makes the decision?
Yes, but the police seek evidence of a crime and the local DA decides whether or not to procede with charges. No evidence of a crime was found. In this case there was an outside intervention.
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Originally Posted by hemaybedid
Jungle would probably know better, but my understanding is the DA at the time refused to bring the case. They were let go and replaced by someone who would.
Who is "they"? If a DA looked at the investigation and decided to pursue charges, does that not still mean they thought there was something there?
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Old 07-14-2013, 03:13 PM
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Who is "they"? If a DA looked at the investigation and decided to pursue charges, does that not still mean they thought there was something there?
Take a close look at the timeline during March, 2012. That is when the deck got reshuffled:

George Zimmerman Case Timeline | Trayvon Martin Shooting Investigation | Sanford | News 13
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Not weighing in one way or the other BUT where is the outrage from the community activists AND charlatans like Sharpton and Jackson when innocent African-Americans are murdered by other African-Americans in cities such as Chicago at an alarming rate? I guess they don't give a **** about their own people when it's not racially charged. Totally disgusting.
They make their millions off of being opportunistic racially charged vultures. Disgusting.
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Not weighing in one way or the other BUT where is the outrage from the community activists AND charlatans like Sharpton and Jackson when innocent African-Americans are murdered by other African-Americans in cities such as Chicago at an alarming rate? I guess they don't give a **** about their own people when it's not racially charged. Totally disgusting.
I was interested in what people were saying so I took to twitter.....and I read a lot of comments about this, many from black people calling this fact out. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Who is "they"? If a DA looked at the investigation and decided to pursue charges, does that not still mean they thought there was something there?
After a lot of pressure from several groups, the Governor appointed a special prosecutor.

Governor appoints new state attorney, task force in Trayvon Martin case | News 13
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After a lot of pressure from several groups, the Governor appointed a special prosecutor.

Governor appoints new state attorney, task force in Trayvon Martin case | News 13
So that makes it a conspiracy?
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My only gripe with that mike is that he continued to pursue TM after the police dispatcher had advised him to wait for the police and not continue to pursue him.

I'm not looking at this from a racial standpoint because I don't really care why GZ initially pursued TM.

So the scenario was a strange man following a young boy in his car. Said strange man gets out of his vehicle, with a handgun, approaches the young boy and attempts to detain and/or apprehend him. How was TM not to know that GZ was a deranged individual with malice intent?

I can definitely see both sides to this. GZ may have very well been killed, and to that the self-defense card plays valid. That being said it was still his actions that caused this situation to aggressively escalate into a physical altercation ending in TM's death.

There were so many other outcomes that could of come from this situation had GZ acted differently. So with that being said I would think manslaughter charges would have applied at the very least. Murder 1 is kind of a stretch because I have no doubt that GZ didn't intend to kill TM.
My two cents...

Zimmerman observed a suspicious person in his neighborhood. His job as block watchman was to observe and report. He was in his truck watching a suspicious person as he dialed 911. He didn't "get out of his truck, with a gun, and confront him" as you suggest.

As he was sitting in his truck he told the dispatcher:

"Now he's just staring at me."

"Yeah, now he's coming towards me."

"Something's wrong with him. Yep, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is."

This is collaborated by his girlfriends testimony where she said Martin said on the first phone call that Zimmerman was watching him.

Zimmerman then told the dispatcher, "S--- he's running" and you can hear Zimmerman get out of the truck and take off running.

The dispatcher DID NOT tell him "to wait for police and not pursue." The dispatcher said, "Are you following him? [yeah] Ok, we don't need you to do that." There is a big difference between the two. Dispatchers are required in situations like this to say such things due to liability reasons. They can't tell you to follow and then you get killed or injured.

Zimmerman, in my opinion, ultimately honored the dispatchers statement because his response to the dispatcher was "Ok" and then you can tell by his voice and the noise on the phone that he stopped running. He also said, "He ran" which implies that he's gone.

More so, Rachel Jeantel, Martin's girlfriend, testified that Martin hung up the phone. When he called her back, she said that Martin told her that he had lost Zimmerman. (the evidence is consistent)

During the rest of Zimmerman's 911 call, he calmly explained to the dispatcher his location and where the police could find him when they arrived. He wasn't breathing heavily as he would have been if he were running or pursuing.

Then the dispatcher asked Zimmerman for his home address and he replied, "it's a home, it's 1950 oh crap I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is."

"I don't know where this kid is," that is key. He acknowledged that he lost track of Martin. (again the evidence is consistent) And he is also fearful that the kid might hear him discuss where he lives.

I'm sick of hearing people perpetuate the lies that Zimmerman disobeyed the dispatcher and that he hunted this kid down. The evidence doesn't suggest that at all.

Also, Jeantel's court testimony changed from what she previously told police investigators during three interviews. During the trial, the prosecutors walked her through a line of questions/statements that she claimed Martin had said "Get off! Get off!" But no where had she ever told those statements to the police investigators or Martin's family.

What I also believe is most damaging, if her new account of how things transpired is to be believed, and she was so upset and scared for Martin's well being, why didn't she tell anyone or call the police after she ... paraphrasing her words ... "heard the fight and hearing Martin cry 'Get off! Get off!' as the phone went dead?"

Martin was not a sweet and innocent little child. He was a 17 year old suspended from school at least three times. On one occasion, while being searched by a school security guard after a disturbance at the school, his bag contained women's earrings, rings, and a screw driver by which the security guard described it as a burglary tool. His most recent suspension was for him being caught with a baggie which contained marijuana residue.

The night of his death, Martin went for a mile long walk in pouring rain. He purchased Skittles and an Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail drink. That's a long walk for a soda and some candy. Was he hungry or was it something more sinister?

Purple Drank is a drug popularized by the hip hop community and is created from soft drinks and candy mixed with codeine. Not admissible in court were Martin's cell phone and Facebook records which proved he was using Purple Drank and contacted friends and asked them if they were a connect (or dealer) for codeine.

Chronic use of this drug causes all kinds of bad things. Three important to note: paranoia, liver, and brain damage. His girlfriend testified that Martin acted paranoid during their first phone conversation while he was walking and observing Zimmerman. And Martin's liver was found to have unusual degrading known as mild fatty metamorphosis and his brain tissue appeared compromised, which are conditions symptomatic of codeine. Although this information is circumstantial, it is possible that Martin was not of sound mind that evening.

The media and pundits made Zimmerman out to be a gun toting racist. How could he be a racist?

He came from a multiracial family and he himself was multiracial.

When he was younger, he partnered with his best friend, a black man, and they started a small business together.

He and his wife tutored and mentored a black child and raised money for the child's church.

And most ironically, Zimmerman printed and distributed copies of fliers and publicly demanded the community hold accountable two Sanford Police officers for misconduct for their investigation of a race related beating of a black homeless man. The black man's attacker was the son of a lieutenant in the Sanford Police Department and the attacker was initially never charged or arrested. Zimmerman organized the black community, passing out flyers after church and helped organize a meeting at Sanford City Hall about the police misconduct. That inquiry led to the arrest of the attacker as well as the resignation of the Sanford Police Chief. These same police officers would be those who investigated Zimmerman the night of his altercation with Martin.

The media and race baiting pundits won and Americans lost. They used this trial to spin the facts all in a ruse to increase TV ratings, increase street cred among those of like-minded race and politics, and helped further divide Americans.
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