Zimmerman is not guilty!!!
07-23-2013, 06:48 PM
#221
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DC8, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you are getting the crap beat out of you I assume you are just going to lie there and take it until you are dead, right? If not, then you are a hypocrite.
P.S. That post was one of the stupidest things I have ever read, congratulations!
P.S. That post was one of the stupidest things I have ever read, congratulations!
07-23-2013, 07:21 PM
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DC8, good plan, now go pick a fight at a biker bar. We'll miss you.
07-23-2013, 07:40 PM
#223
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Is it possible that TM was acting suspicious when GZ made a call to the police that there was someone acting suspicious in his neighborhood? Why do you assume the hoodie was what piqued GZ suspicions? When asked to describe what someone is wearing would you start with a hoodie if they were wearing a hoodie?
07-23-2013, 08:06 PM
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(1)i may have explained it poorly so let me try to describe the scenario again! If a random person approaches me and questions my motive of being in a public place, i'm obviously going to already be in a defensive mood as I have done nothing wrong! if it continues to more personal questioning and accusations, then it may lead to some profanity flying out of my mouth as I feel that I am being harassed, which could eventually lead into a fight if he continues to pursue me! At this point, I do not know if the person is carrying a weapon or not so i have to be more firm in defending myself. IF, i happen to get the best of him, he might pull out his weapon and defend himself using lethal force just like what happened to this case from the very limited information i know from the biased news outlets! makes any sense? clear as mud? 
edited: please read DC8's post, it basically describes the scenario i was trying to paint!
(2)true, but it's really not that simple!
(3)not a good feeling but if you or I have nothing to hide, then i guess it's considered ok! part of today's "securing our borders' program!
(4)i agree but if the "black" community feels they are being targeted(based on what is being shown on TV)then don't feed the stereotypes like what they did in the march/riot protest last week in LA where they vandalized property and beat up strangers !
(5)this, i didn't know! reason why i asked in my original post what made TM to be considered "suspicious"
edited: please read DC8's post, it basically describes the scenario i was trying to paint!(2)true, but it's really not that simple!
(3)not a good feeling but if you or I have nothing to hide, then i guess it's considered ok! part of today's "securing our borders' program!
(4)i agree but if the "black" community feels they are being targeted(based on what is being shown on TV)then don't feed the stereotypes like what they did in the march/riot protest last week in LA where they vandalized property and beat up strangers !
(5)this, i didn't know! reason why i asked in my original post what made TM to be considered "suspicious"
Did you watch any of the trail at all? Did you listen to any of the witness testimony, at all?
All we have to go by is what GZ and a few witnesses said, but he testified that he was 'following' TM, he never 'confronted' him.
TM's girlfriend testified that while they were on the phone, she told TM to run, after he told her he was being followed by..."a creepyass cracker". TM said, "I'm not going to run."
GZ then said he lost sight of TM, who hid behind a house, and when GZ came by, TM confronted him, and asked, "You got a Problem?" GZ said, "No". TM said, "Well, you got one now!" then punched him in the nose, laid him out, climbed on top of him and was pounding his head on the sidewalk.
Based on the injuries to GZ's nose and back of his head, and the grass stains on the back of his jacket, and the witness that testified that TM was on top throwing punches, we can assume TM was the one who "Confronted" GZ, and TM was the one who threw the first punch.
Like I said several pages back, don't bring skittles to a gun fight. OR...if you are going to punch out a creepyass cracker, make sure he's not packing a pistol.
Now, should GZ have stayed in his car and waited for the cops? Sure, but he didn't want to lose sight of TM. However, TM also had 4 minutes of time (as per the testimony of the 911 operator) to run home too, rather than hiding, to wait to jump GZ.
OR...TM could have simply asked GZ, "Why are you following me?" and then explained he was on his way back to his father's house, from 7-11. But he chose to throw the first punch instead. A lot of 17yr. old kids think they are pretty tough. TM was one. But he was too young and too immature to consider the creepyass cracker might be armed.
07-23-2013, 08:35 PM
#225
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Did you watch any of the trail at all? Did you listen to any of the witness testimony, at all?
All we have to go by is what GZ and a few witnesses said, but he testified that he was 'following' TM, he never 'confronted' him.
TM's girlfriend testified that while they were on the phone, she told TM to run, after he told her he was being followed by..."a creepyass cracker". TM said, "I'm not going to run."
GZ then said he lost sight of TM, who hid behind a house, and when GZ came by, TM confronted him, and asked, "You got a Problem?" GZ said, "No". TM said, "Well, you got one now!" then punched him in the nose, laid him out, climbed on top of him and was pounding his head on the sidewalk.
Based on the injuries to GZ's nose and back of his head, and the grass stains on the back of his jacket, and the witness that testified that TM was on top throwing punches, we can assume TM was the one who "Confronted" GZ, and TM was the one who threw the first punch.
Like I said several pages back, don't bring skittles to a gun fight. OR...if you are going to punch out a creepyass cracker, make sure he's not packing a pistol.
Now, should GZ have stayed in his car and waited for the cops? Sure, but he didn't want to lose sight of TM. However, TM also had 4 minutes of time (as per the testimony of the 911 operator) to run home too, rather than hiding, to wait to jump GZ.
OR...TM could have simply asked GZ, "Why are you following me?" and then explained he was on his way back to his father's house, from 7-11. But he chose to throw the first punch instead. A lot of 17yr. old kids think they are pretty tough. TM was one. But he was too young and too immature to consider the creepyass cracker might be armed.
All we have to go by is what GZ and a few witnesses said, but he testified that he was 'following' TM, he never 'confronted' him.
TM's girlfriend testified that while they were on the phone, she told TM to run, after he told her he was being followed by..."a creepyass cracker". TM said, "I'm not going to run."
GZ then said he lost sight of TM, who hid behind a house, and when GZ came by, TM confronted him, and asked, "You got a Problem?" GZ said, "No". TM said, "Well, you got one now!" then punched him in the nose, laid him out, climbed on top of him and was pounding his head on the sidewalk.
Based on the injuries to GZ's nose and back of his head, and the grass stains on the back of his jacket, and the witness that testified that TM was on top throwing punches, we can assume TM was the one who "Confronted" GZ, and TM was the one who threw the first punch.
Like I said several pages back, don't bring skittles to a gun fight. OR...if you are going to punch out a creepyass cracker, make sure he's not packing a pistol.
Now, should GZ have stayed in his car and waited for the cops? Sure, but he didn't want to lose sight of TM. However, TM also had 4 minutes of time (as per the testimony of the 911 operator) to run home too, rather than hiding, to wait to jump GZ.
OR...TM could have simply asked GZ, "Why are you following me?" and then explained he was on his way back to his father's house, from 7-11. But he chose to throw the first punch instead. A lot of 17yr. old kids think they are pretty tough. TM was one. But he was too young and too immature to consider the creepyass cracker might be armed.
...very little(broken tv, too poor to replace it nor had the interest to research more about it online)just snippets from the tv displays in the airport terminals!
thanks for the play by play but i still have a valid argument that being profiled is not a good thing but is accepted/mandatory these days with regards on how our society works!
07-23-2013, 09:39 PM
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Innocent until proven guilty. It's possible a giant spaceship from the planet Zyrtog landed while no one was watching and aliens got out and stole a bunch of stuff from the neighborhood, but without any evidence, it's meaningless to say so. This case keeps coming down to the point that GZ had multiple exit points and there's no evidence to suggest the guy with a Dr Pepper and skittles wanted to start a fight. That leaves it at the fact that we don't really know who instigated the fight/confrontation, but we do know who had several opportunities to stop and was even recommended to not pursue. That also means that we don't have anything to say that TV didn't instigate the fight, so it's a possibility and why GZ is free. One american shouldn't just be free to blow away another one and if no one is around claim it was self defense, but on the other hand those rights have to be preserved. It's a delicate balance and this case ended up in the middle.
It also seems quite evident that you aren't very familiar with the details of the case, but you still insist on debating from a position of ignorance.
07-23-2013, 09:49 PM
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I'm thoroughly convinced that you (and others) are not paying attention at all to any of the information being posted that clarifies what you can and cannot do regarding self-defense and SYG laws.
It also seems quite evident that you aren't very familiar with the details of the case, but you still insist on debating from a position of ignorance.
It also seems quite evident that you aren't very familiar with the details of the case, but you still insist on debating from a position of ignorance.
I'm ok with that, it happens all the time and it is always a constant source of amusement.
The verdict is in and they lost. End of story, but it won't end the yammering.
Despite all the high level Federal intervention, FBI investigation and media circus-they lost.
07-23-2013, 10:22 PM
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GZ then said he lost sight of TM, who hid behind a house, and when GZ came by, TM confronted him, and asked, "You got a Problem?" GZ said, "No". TM said, "Well, you got one now!" then punched him in the nose, laid him out, climbed on top of him and was pounding his head on the sidewalk.
Based on the injuries to GZ's nose and back of his head, and the grass stains on the back of his jacket, and the witness that testified that TM was on top throwing punches, we can assume TM was the one who "Confronted" GZ, and TM was the one who threw the first punch.
07-23-2013, 11:45 PM
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True, but it isn't just ignorance. It is willful denial of facts.
I'm ok with that, it happens all the time and it is always a constant source of amusement.
The verdict is in and they lost. End of story, but it won't end the yammering.
Despite all the high level Federal intervention, FBI investigation and media circus-they lost.
I'm ok with that, it happens all the time and it is always a constant source of amusement.
The verdict is in and they lost. End of story, but it won't end the yammering.
Despite all the high level Federal intervention, FBI investigation and media circus-they lost.
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