Red Forman

Here it is again Snarge. These are what we call facts.

jungle

Snarge, how many times would someone have to pound your skull into the sidewalk for you to try to defend yourself?

Cops are there to clean up the mess. If you are being assaulted or raped, the chance of a cop being present is almost zero.

Cops don't carry weapons to defend the public, they carry weapons to defend themselves.

Ultimately, it is you who are responsible for your own security. Check the law if you doubt this, it makes it perfectly clear.

If you really want your eyes opened, take a peek at the Justice Department uniform crime statistics and get a good idea of who is doing the shooting, or better yet visit Detroit or Chicago, or any number of major metro areas. Absent one demographic we have about the same crime rate as Belgium.

AZFlyer

Do you need to be told? I'd be happy to tell you about all of those things. I mean, if you're going to ask irrational and uneducated questions, don't act like you are all of sudden knowledgeable about the topic.

Do you honestly not recognize the fact that dangerous situations can happen around you in an instant and in places where you wouldn't expect them? Why would I be at a gas station buying a snack when an armed robber comes in to the store at the same time? This is such an obvious and simple example that its astounding that you would even pose such a question and mean it.

Classic anti-gun argument. Your hang up is that you see all killing as morally, ethically, and legally wrong, when it fact there are times when it isn't. Justifiable homicide, aka, self-defense, occurs more times than you know. Firearms are used more often for justified self-defense in orders of magnitude greater than the number of times that firearms are used for crimes. But, hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. Until you recognize that and accept that, you won't get past this point. You actually believe that firearms cause a mental change in people. You actually believe that this inanimate object holds some sort of mystifying power over us. It doesn't. That is irrational.

Its funny how you're trying to spin that to be a negative point. I don't and never have held a firearm and felt the power flowing through my veins. That is completely irrational. More capable? I guess that depends on what you mean. Why would that be bad? Is it bad that if my wife is being raped/about to be raped that I would be capable of nullifying the attacker?


Until you recognize that over 100 million American firearm owers come from all races, creeds, ethnicities, religions, financial backgrounds, etc, then you'll forever generalize people that own guns as 'nuts', and not as regular people that are all around you everyday, completely abiding by the same laws as you. You see gun owners as a very narrow slice of the demographic pie. That is wrong factually and logically and completely refutes your belief about what kind of people gun owners are.

Idiots accidentally harm/kill people with all manner of things every single day. You can't make everyone wear diapers just because one person craps their pants.

More generalizations. Completely irrational and presumptuous. Please stop.

I don't think or consider what? That I'm not falling victim to the misinformation from the MSM and politicians, and therefore refuse to accept your disregard for reality? Ok....

Same as me.
Same as me.

Yes I do, and yes it is. I feel compelled to exercise a right that will provide an *increased* chance at surviving an unwelcomed violent encounter with a criminal. That's fine if you don't want to do it. That is your choice and your right. Just because you don't want to exercise your right to do so, for whatever your ill-conceived reasons are, that is also fine, and does not bother me in the least. But don't tell me that I can't do the same, that I shouldn't be doing one thing or another. I don't tell you and those like you to do what I do. Because I don't care if you don't. I respect YOUR rights.
Well....in a word, yes.
If it helps you see that your beliefs and opinions are not founded on logic, but instead on emotions, then yes.

So what? My wife owns as many guns as I do.


Yes I would, and I have. Are you implying that I have something to fear?

It's okay? Conditioning? That's rich. One of us is armed with facts, firsthand experience, and knowledge, the other isn't.

Why? Because I'm free to do so. I'm free to choose a means of self defense. But most importantly, because I know that I am the only person responsible for my safety. The police are not responsible for keeping me safe. This has been proven numerous times in court. I am educated about safe firearm usage and strongly advocate for such, I'm safe in my practices with my firearms. But despite that, the mistakes of the incredibly few people (proportionately speaking) are by NO means justification for restricting my ability to protect myself with a firearm. My rights are not determined by democracy.

Please tell me you don't believe that I and people like me *don't* live normal worry free lives just because I carry a gun. That couldn't be anymore unfounded and wrong.

Not relevant to many? There are nearly 120 MILLION firearm owners! You stand a chance of seeing one firearm owner among every three people you encounter! Did you have any idea that you were surrounded by so many 'gun nuts'? It's a miracle that you haven't been shot yet by the millions of us with our guns!

But really, Why? Because I take responsibility for my immediate safety, knowing that the police can't be everywhere, knowing that the police have no obligation to be everywhere, and knowing that the reason we have police is to enforce law; they don't exist to be our protection.

As for why 2/3rds of our nation don't choose my path. I don't care. Why do you care? It is our right to exercise, and if you don't exercise it, that is not my concern nor my business...that is till you (generically speaking)start trying to takeaway my right to protect myself as I see fit.

TonyC

I can vouch for this.







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Swedish Blender

Maybe this will help everyone who was not a juror. They have the facts and evidence. GZ was found not guilty.

Did you know TM was found guilty of aggravated assault & battery with intent to kill or maim by the jury?

RhinoPherret

I don't like to bring this up in the open but here goes:

I am a retired cop and spent 20 yrs as one as my first career. As has been stated, there are not enough cops anywhere on this planet to protect each person and keep you out of harm’s way. You do have to take personal responsibility for your own safety (however you choose is your choice). That has always been a fact.

The city I worked for had and still does have (sorry to say) a very high crime rate. During my 20 yrs with this department, I nor any other officer I know on the department ever investigated a shooting incident involving a legitimate gun owner (CCW permit or not). I did however, handle more incidents than I can remember of shooting situations (fatal and non-fatal) that were initiated by your typical criminal and street hoodlum (of all varieties, races, gangs, etc). Their guns were not purchased from a legitimate store/source but rather each gun was obtained by trading for drugs, stolen, or borrowed from a friend who stole it) as examples.

So far, I have also not encountered any incidents in my personal life involving persons that carry firearms for responsible reasons.

I do keep a HIGH state of situational awareness WHERVER I am at and WHATEVER I am doing all the time. That has alerted me and kept me from becoming involved in bad situations many times. That is always my first line of defense! HOWEVER, when that unexpected situation occurs and you need to save yourself or a loved one, you best have a protection device or battle plan ready for immediate use. Keep in mind that sometimes you just cannot outrun a situation. 99.9% of the time the police will be arriving after the fact (they cannot teleport themselves to each person’s situation yet).

I am not here to tell you to carry a gun or not. I am not here to judge anyone regarding this. That is your personal choice. There is no wrong or right answer to that personal decision. However, I did want to shed some light on my experiences and observations regarding responsible folks that carry guns and the irresponsible ones that carry and use them quite often.

DMC12

The simple truth is that minority groups do not want to take responsibility for any behavior that would show that their plan is not working.

It is easy for the black population to say that this was racist because they would not have to consider that maybe it was bad parenting.

It makes me laugh when I see protesters holding signs that say "We are all Trayvon". REALLY??? We all have pot in our system and have been expelled from schools??

That is an insult to everyone and every race!


Liberals stance on this case is simple, they do not think anyone should be responsible for their own decision making and suffer consequences for their actions. They always have to be victims. In one way the are correct, we are all victims of our own decisions.


Either way, justice was served. Oh btw, why did "black America" not protest when OJ was found not guilty?? Instead they were cheering.

LNL76

..and, as I've said before, they don't give a rat's ass about black-on-black crime that takes dozens of their own community each and every day, especially in cities like Chicago. Where's the outrage when an innocent child is killed by a drive-by, or a teenager is murdered for his Iphone? I guess those lives aren't as valuable's as Trayvon's. Just ONCE, I'd like to see a "Reverend" have a protest march about THAT.

DMC12

I wish we had more Zimmerman type people in America. Think about how much crime would not happen if people started following suspicious people.

DMC12

One more thing.

I dare any protesters or violent folks to come to my house and do any harm. Once they enter my property they will be toast.


I love living in Texas, at least we can defend ourselves and not worry about getting in trouble. I always have my 9mm with me. I hope I never have to use it, but I will not hesitate if needed.