Pilot Detained by DHS for 2 hours
05-22-2013, 08:06 PM
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Interesting article. This isn't Kansas anymore. Some think it still is. Post 9-11, post-Boston, etc. The chances of this happening to Joe Pilot, however, are like 1 in 10,000. Use IFR and/or flight following and/or open a VFR flight plan to stay off the radar. Nobody wants their freedoms infringed, but it is what it is.
Lack of a TFR or lack of a R/P airspace over a power plant or similar critically important structure does not preclude using good judgement or common sense.
Not banned, does not then equal "should." Petting stray pit bulls is not illegal, but should you ?
Oh, and a Texas police officer yes, can ask to see your pilots license.
Lack of a TFR or lack of a R/P airspace over a power plant or similar critically important structure does not preclude using good judgement or common sense.
Not banned, does not then equal "should." Petting stray pit bulls is not illegal, but should you ?
Oh, and a Texas police officer yes, can ask to see your pilots license.
People like you are the reason we are in this mess!!!
Why don't you move ? You don't need to live in a FREE Country!!!
Think about it! ......... Use that thing in your head
05-22-2013, 11:43 PM
#12
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It always amazes me how quickly the majority of the American population is willing to give up their rights and liberties in the name of "security".
It cheapens the sacrifice of all those Americans who fought and died protecting those rights and liberties. It's sickening.
Furthermore, it's concerning to me how the DHS is getting MRAPs and buying tons of bullets etc... Why on earth does a domestic police force need mine resistant vehicles?
As far as the article goes it is alarming but doesn't really surprise me.
It cheapens the sacrifice of all those Americans who fought and died protecting those rights and liberties. It's sickening.
Furthermore, it's concerning to me how the DHS is getting MRAPs and buying tons of bullets etc... Why on earth does a domestic police force need mine resistant vehicles?
As far as the article goes it is alarming but doesn't really surprise me.
05-23-2013, 03:46 AM
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Watch the video. You'll see they have no authority to detain (at least where they are at in the video).
Supreme court has also already ruled on this and threw it out: Google Scholar
The various agreeing and dissenting opinions are within that document.
Supreme court has also already ruled on this and threw it out: Google Scholar
The various agreeing and dissenting opinions are within that document.
And your case law is from 1973, so I quit reading after that. Not because it's from 1973, but because that means the current law has not been challenged in court yet (to my knowledge - I'm happy to be proven wrong). This happens all the time - some act/law/etc is deemed illegal/unconstitutional by courts, legislators write new similar laws with different language and go about the same tactics in new ways until challenged in court again.
05-23-2013, 05:08 AM
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Can't bring my sunscreen, toothpaste, or bottled water on an airliner.
Thanks to an Islamic. Yeah, said it.
Have to take my shoes off through security.
Thanks to an Islamic
Someone care to challenge me and say I'm wrong?
Oh, and please, no apologists!
Yeah, I said it.
Have to take my laptop out of my bag and show tsa my toiletries.
Thanks to an Islamic .
It's that simple folks.
Thanks to an Islamic. Yeah, said it.
Have to take my shoes off through security.
Thanks to an Islamic
Someone care to challenge me and say I'm wrong?
Oh, and please, no apologists!
Yeah, I said it.
Have to take my laptop out of my bag and show tsa my toiletries.
Thanks to an Islamic .
It's that simple folks.
05-23-2013, 02:29 PM
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Yes! Lay back and let "THEM" take a little more....just a bit more....it's for our own good.... You don't need those rights!!!!
People like you are the reason we are in this mess!!!
Why don't you move ? You don't need to live in a FREE Country!!!
Think about it! ......... Use that thing in your head
People like you are the reason we are in this mess!!!
Why don't you move ? You don't need to live in a FREE Country!!!
Think about it! ......... Use that thing in your head
Plus one.........
05-23-2013, 06:24 PM
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Sorry - fuzzy memory:
Border search exception - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
100 miles and the big thing that has everyone up in arms is the seizure of electronics w/o suspicion or warrant.
Here's an article:
DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border | Threat Level | Wired.com
Border search exception - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
100 miles and the big thing that has everyone up in arms is the seizure of electronics w/o suspicion or warrant.
Here's an article:
DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border | Threat Level | Wired.com
05-24-2013, 09:10 AM
#18
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Interesting article. This isn't Kansas anymore. Some think it still is. Post 9-11, post-Boston, etc. The chances of this happening to Joe Pilot, however, are like 1 in 10,000. Use IFR and/or flight following and/or open a VFR flight plan to stay off the radar. Nobody wants their freedoms infringed, but it is what it is.
"It is what it is"........
Any wonder why things are heading the way they are in this country with sentiments like that?
05-24-2013, 05:11 PM
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You do, however, have to present your pilot certificate upon request. I can't present that which does not exist, nor will I correct their mistake for them.
05-25-2013, 06:31 AM
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UNBELIEVABLE.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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