Lets talk Pilot Shortage!
05-21-2013, 05:24 AM
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The fed will have to stop stimulating the economy at some point, I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to say we're limping along. The DOW does not represent 'the economy'. Job creation is anemic, the number of non-working is a record high, we're in another bubble. Remember what happened just 5 short years ago when the housing bubble burst? It'll be fun when the almost-zero interest and free fed money bubble bursts!
05-21-2013, 05:42 AM
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It'd be better for a lot of failing schools who probably have failing teachers. I went to a failing school, one of the worst in the state of Virginia. I had failing teachers. Would have loved to have had computer based training. In fact, you may not even have to be in a class with 20-30 others and have the discipline issues of 1 disrupt everyone ability to learn, much less 10, 20 or 25 of them being disruptive.
FWIW, my mother was a public school teacher for 25 years. Her school got to the point it had to refuse to hire teachers from a certain nearby college because they were so bad, and her school was not in a good area to be picky about such things. Yet they refused to hire these teachers, but don't worry, these teachers were hired at other schools. Like mine.
So... what's the question again? Oh right, why should an aluminum missile with sometimes four hundred people in it have humans controlling it 14-20 hours a day?
05-21-2013, 05:43 AM
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The fed will have to stop stimulating the economy at some point, I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to say we're limping along. The DOW does not represent 'the economy'. Job creation is anemic, the number of non-working is a record high, we're in another bubble. Remember what happened just 5 short years ago when the housing bubble burst? It'll be fun when the almost-zero interest and free fed money bubble bursts!
05-21-2013, 06:01 AM
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Had a passenger, a school teacher, query me on "why do we even have pilots" as we talked while waiting for equipment to arrive.
Had a bleeds off take off to clear ships in the harbor, then a couple of rapidly changing clearances to get us around an arriving American 757 they did not have radar coverage on and some VFR traffic not talking to anyone. Flying back, across an ocean, solar storms were effecting HF. There was a lot of blow off which had light turbulence (doesn't paint on radar) and as we got closer to our destination more and more weather to work around. Mostly we were able to keep the seat belt sign off, but, we had to suspend cabin service once. The cabin temperature controllers were doing their usual game of getting cold when fed with a lot of bleed and warming up as the throttles came back. ATC wanted everything from 330 to 150 as they tried to sequence traffic into JFK for the VOR DME to 13L, changed to 22, back to 13L, can you take the right? ... instead of an 8 quartering headwind we had about a 19 knot quartering tailwind, but the tail wind component was within limits. Runway was a little wet. Glad we used autobrakes 3 to get stopping early & flaps 40 to slow for the RJ that threw out the brakes once he cleared the VOR (nothing wrong with that, esp with the slight tail wind). Then the taxi in was fouled up by a foreign carrier who had a difficult time getting their taxi worked out after a gate change.
Uneventful day at work for a professional airline crew, but a nearly impossible task for a drone operator. How does a drone operator have the situational awareness to work around weather that they've not flown in? How does the drone operator know that row 11 gets cold, or feel the relationship between temperature and bleed air output. When does the drone operator suspend cabin service, or know to drop flaps 40 and swing wide to give the guys ahead a bit more time and thus avoid a go around? What does the drone operator do when traffic in front of him suddenly swings back out of the ramp without calling ground because there is no gate available?
IMHO there are too many variables in the environment to make a drone operation successful, either from a safety standpoint or a passenger comfort standpoint.
Had a bleeds off take off to clear ships in the harbor, then a couple of rapidly changing clearances to get us around an arriving American 757 they did not have radar coverage on and some VFR traffic not talking to anyone. Flying back, across an ocean, solar storms were effecting HF. There was a lot of blow off which had light turbulence (doesn't paint on radar) and as we got closer to our destination more and more weather to work around. Mostly we were able to keep the seat belt sign off, but, we had to suspend cabin service once. The cabin temperature controllers were doing their usual game of getting cold when fed with a lot of bleed and warming up as the throttles came back. ATC wanted everything from 330 to 150 as they tried to sequence traffic into JFK for the VOR DME to 13L, changed to 22, back to 13L, can you take the right? ... instead of an 8 quartering headwind we had about a 19 knot quartering tailwind, but the tail wind component was within limits. Runway was a little wet. Glad we used autobrakes 3 to get stopping early & flaps 40 to slow for the RJ that threw out the brakes once he cleared the VOR (nothing wrong with that, esp with the slight tail wind). Then the taxi in was fouled up by a foreign carrier who had a difficult time getting their taxi worked out after a gate change.
Uneventful day at work for a professional airline crew, but a nearly impossible task for a drone operator. How does a drone operator have the situational awareness to work around weather that they've not flown in? How does the drone operator know that row 11 gets cold, or feel the relationship between temperature and bleed air output. When does the drone operator suspend cabin service, or know to drop flaps 40 and swing wide to give the guys ahead a bit more time and thus avoid a go around? What does the drone operator do when traffic in front of him suddenly swings back out of the ramp without calling ground because there is no gate available?
IMHO there are too many variables in the environment to make a drone operation successful, either from a safety standpoint or a passenger comfort standpoint.
Who is going to fly in a pilotless aircraft. NOT ME!! Maybe my kids, but who is going to be first??
05-21-2013, 06:36 AM
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Yeah, pilot pay at the RJ/Turbo prop level probably won't be spectacular, but pay could likely improve without greatly increasing ticket prices. Also, I prefer to say "compensation" vs "pay" because there are many things that are compensatory. There is no free lunch, but there are things airlines could do to attract pilots while minimizing cost.
Bottom line- the pendulum has swung far enough in terms of decreasing pilot compensation (and killing off GA). I am glad to see certain individuals and industry sectors feeling at least slightly uncomfortable about the pilot supply. Time to address some festering issues. Let's make things better for the next generation, and maybe ourselves.
Bottom line- the pendulum has swung far enough in terms of decreasing pilot compensation (and killing off GA). I am glad to see certain individuals and industry sectors feeling at least slightly uncomfortable about the pilot supply. Time to address some festering issues. Let's make things better for the next generation, and maybe ourselves.
I have seen this movie before whereas a industry is waiting for someone else to throw them a lifeline. This reminds me of other US industries from the 70's such as the auto industry, steel industry, technology industry waiting for someone else to help them. Ask them how's that working out considering the US is a consumer nation and less of a producer of anything other than excuses!
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