Two explosions at Boston Marathon finish line
#21
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Yes. No question of it.
Playing Devil's advocate here (<----don't forget that)....but you understand why this is, don't you? It's not to protect or show any leniency to terrorists or criminals, it's to protect the innocent against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure. This is the whole reason why the 5th Amendment exists. Miranda rights/pleading the 5th not to incriminate yourself? This is to protect the innocent, not the guilty.
And protecting the innocent...like guaranteeing freedom and the other Amendments...is what sets us apart from the monsters like the perps of the Boston bombing.
Just as all of us would like to see the full weight of justice and retribution upon the guilty in this case, we all don't want anyone who is innocent to be held guilty for it, either.
This is why "we try to deal with these terrorists the same way that we would deal with a common criminal."
Btw, what is the difference between a "common criminal" and an uncommon one?? I've never seen any formal distinction of them in US jurisprudence
Playing Devil's advocate here (<----don't forget that)....but you understand why this is, don't you? It's not to protect or show any leniency to terrorists or criminals, it's to protect the innocent against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure. This is the whole reason why the 5th Amendment exists. Miranda rights/pleading the 5th not to incriminate yourself? This is to protect the innocent, not the guilty.
And protecting the innocent...like guaranteeing freedom and the other Amendments...is what sets us apart from the monsters like the perps of the Boston bombing.
Just as all of us would like to see the full weight of justice and retribution upon the guilty in this case, we all don't want anyone who is innocent to be held guilty for it, either.
This is why "we try to deal with these terrorists the same way that we would deal with a common criminal."
Btw, what is the difference between a "common criminal" and an uncommon one?? I've never seen any formal distinction of them in US jurisprudence
The difference is unlike common criminals, the terrorists usually have a more defined political agenda, some kind of organizational structure, more resources, and they're aiming for mass shock/impact. All this non stop coverage on the news of this recent tragic event in Boston is EXACTLY what they were trying to accomplish. Terrorists usually select high profile targets precisely because they know they'll get the media attention they want.
#22
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The difference is unlike common criminals, the terrorists usually have a more defined political agenda, some kind of organizational structure, more resources, and they're aiming for mass shock/impact. All this non stop coverage on the news of this recent tragic event in Boston is EXACTLY what they were trying to accomplish. Terrorists usually select high profile targets precisely because they know they'll get the media attention they want.
#23
The difference is unlike common criminals, the terrorists usually have a more defined political agenda, some kind of organizational structure, more resources, and they're aiming for mass shock/impact. Terrorists usually select high profile targets precisely because they know they'll get the media attention they want.
How do you know this was a terrorist attack and not some lone-wolf nutcase?
From what I've seen, this hasn't been determined.
#24
It may have been domestic terrorism, it may have been foreign terrorism.
Either way - as long as there is generally a political objective behind it (think Eric Rudolph for example since Richard Jewell was mentioned earlier in the thread), or it could just be an act designed to terrorize the general public for publicity sake - it is still terrorism.
Either way - as long as there is generally a political objective behind it (think Eric Rudolph for example since Richard Jewell was mentioned earlier in the thread), or it could just be an act designed to terrorize the general public for publicity sake - it is still terrorism.
#25
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I find it odd that the term terrorist has evolved to only encompass Islamic radicals or organized well funded political activists. What happened to a terrorist being described as a person who's actions are meant to cause fear, regaurdless of affiliations, color, creed, or external support. It is strange that we would base our definition of terror on how many people were cheering their actions. A lone wolf hell bent on destruction is just as much of a terrorist as any politically or ideologically driven organization and should be given the same treatment.
#26
I find it odd that the term terrorist has evolved to only encompass Islamic radicals or organized well funded political activists. What happened to a terrorist being described as a person who's actions are meant to cause fear, regaurdless of affiliations, color, creed, or external support. It is strange that we would base our definition of terror on how many people were cheering their actions. A lone wolf hell bent on destruction is just as much of a terrorist as any politically or ideologically driven organization and should be given the same treatment.
#27
From the news reports it sounds like this was a disenfranchised family of Eastern Europeans who despite a solid start in the US suffered a radical religious reversion, coupled with an equally radical outburst of uninformed faithful action. I see it more as a human psychological tragedy than one of racism, fanaticism, terrorism, or a particular faith. These young men literally lost their minds at the expense of several hundred Boston residents. Terrorism is the easy thing to do unfortunately, and the path this small group of men chose to take.
Last edited by Cubdriver; 04-20-2013 at 04:29 PM.
#28
this was a disenfranchised family of Eastern Europeans who despite a solid start in the US suffered a radical religious reversion, coupled with an equally radical outburst of uninformed faithful action. I see it more as a human psychological tragedy than one of racism, fanaticism, terrorism, or a particular faith.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say in your words that I've highlighted here. (I'm also not sure you can explain it without the moderators stepping in, so I may just have to read between the lines).
I also see this as a tragedy. Especially the younger brother seems to have been a decent bloke who went to a very dark place and quickly.
Whether this was a radical religious reversion, or uninformed faithful action, or something else, is something I won't be listening to the media or self-described experts to tell me. This was premeditated evil, just like Sandy Hook. Unlike Sandy Hook, these two seem to have been well liked, fairly well adjusted, socially connected individuals...until something changed their lives.
I think anyone with ears to hear is capable of deciding what that something was.
#30
FWIW, I think it was a calculated move by the Chechen Islamist movement to try and bring us into their conflict...not that we haven't been fighting against Chechen "volunteers" who joined forces with the Iraqi/Afghani extremeist groups already...
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